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To: wintertime
My comment was in regard to being raped at school. It was not about **willingly** seeking a job ( at the employee's own volition) with an employer who requires an identification tag. By the way, the last I checked no one in the U.S. is under police threat to stay with an abusive employer ( unlike children in our prison-like government schools.)

Am I to understand you correctly that you consider an employer who requires ID cards to be “abusive” or such work places “prison like”? Would you refuse to work for an employer that required ID cards or even RDIF cards? If so, on what basis? Do you consider ID cards with or without RDIF chips to really be the “mark of the beast”? If so, is this part of your home schooling curriculum? I’m not meaning this question to be any sort of criticism of you or an insult to you, so please do not take it as such, I’m just trying to understand where you are coming from on this topic, i.e. on ID cards.

By the way, government schooling is compulsory ( that means the back up support of police force) for all children for whom parents can not ransom them by way of homeschooling or private schooling. Government school taxes and cartel practices make the unavailability of those options unlikely. Its godless philosophy is also established by way of government threat of police action.

I’m not at all opposed to private schools nor am I opposed to home schooling and think that choice should be available. I’ve known some very bright and well educated people who have been home schooled just as I’ve known some very bright and well educated people who attended private AND public schools. My public schooling experienced was somewhat mixed but the education I received at my HS in the late 70’s, a magnet school, an all girls public HS BTW with very high standards including behavioral, was excellent and on par with many rather expensive and exclusive private schools at the time.

And I don’t agree with a lot of what goes on in many public schools now days either. But I also think that there was a time that America’s free public educational system was once of the best in the world and I’d like to see our public schools return to those once high standards. Why?

Not every family can afford private schools, nor do I believe that private schools should be supported by public funds. Why? Because then the private schools are beholding to complete government control and are by defacto, become “public” schools. Nor do I believe that home schooling is the answer for everyone. Why?

Home schooling is not practical for every family, especially in families where because of economic realities, both parents work or in single parent households. Also, to be very frank, homeschooling requires a very big commitment and a certain level of education by the parent who is overseeing the homeschooling and again, realistically and quite frankly, not all people are up to the task. Sure there are some excellent homeschooling text books and guides but if a parent isn’t themselves educated enough to follow them, then you are basically throwing your kid some books and asking them to educate themselves. That might work for some very bright and self motivated kids but is not realistic in many other cases.

There is also the question of educational standards. I understand that homeschooled kids have to take and pass standardized tests in order to receive a HS diploma or equivalent and I think that’s a good thing. As someone who works in HR and hires people who must have at least a HS diploma for many jobs, a note from “Mom” saying “Johnny had done real good like on his education, knows his maths and stuff – love, Johnny’s Mom” isn’t going to cut it. I think homeschooling is a great option for those like you who are fully committed and are up to the task and make use of curriculums developed by credentialed homeschooling resources but I don’t think that “do it yourself” homeschooling absent standardization of basic requirements is an acceptable alternative. I’m sure that you as a dedicated homeschooling mom would agree with that.

But getting back to the original gist of the thread, this was not about the quality of the education that Andrea Hernandez was receiving at her school, whether she’d get a superior education by being homeschooled; rather it was about the required use of ID badges, RFID badges in particular and whether or not it was some sort of violation of her 1st amendment rights. Since she was given the option of using the very same sort of ID card she voluntarily used before, absent the RFID chip, she choose not to wear it and I think the school was within their rights to tell her to seek her education elsewhere. Again, while she may have a religious objection to such ID cards, what I was trying to highlight is that she would face the same in many places of employment, that while she has a choice to refuse to work for such employers, she is also limiting herself to many opportunities and for some rather IMO, shaky grounds. While the RDIF chips are used to mark attendance and some may rightly believe that this has more to do with government funding based on attendance than it does safety, there is a safety component to such ID cards as it is also a way to ensure that kids who come to school and go to homeroom and have their attendance marked and present then leave the school grounds after homeroom as a truant or hide out in other places in the school where they are not supposed to be, perhaps doing things they ought not to be doing or engaging in when or even forcibly taken to against their will when they are supposed to be in class. If I were a parent, I wouldn’t necessarily have a problem with this. YMMV.

89 posted on 01/20/2013 8:20:01 AM PST by MD Expat in PA
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To: MD Expat in PA
I can not argue against a strawman of your creation.

My position:

It is ABUSIVE to place one’s child in a school where she is in danger of being raped.

My comment had absolutely nothing to do with citizens **voluntarily** seeking work with an employer who uses identification tags.

And...There is a big difference between **willingly** seeking work with an employer and being under police threat to attend a prison-like school where one is likely to be RAPED!

If an adult would object to being under police threat to be FORCED into an institution where they are likely to be RAPED, why do we think this would be good for children? Huh?

Finally....There are some government schools in this nation that are, indeed, soooooo horrific that it would be better for the child to **never** attend. Illiteracy and innumeracy can be fixed. Dead and/or raped can't be.

Big difference!

90 posted on 01/20/2013 8:35:57 AM PST by wintertime
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To: MD Expat in PA
One more thing:

It is amazing that the arguments used by government school defenders are the very points that argue for the complete shut down of this abusive and corrupt socialist entitlement of government schooling and moving toward complete privatization.

1) Chips? Geeze! . Is the government schooled girl supposed to wave the identification chipped card in front of the rapist like the victims in vampire films holding a wooden cross in the face of Dracula? ( Just wondering.)

2)1) Why would a parent put a child in a situation that is soooooo unsafe that they need chips to protect them from rapists, drug dealers, and gang members? Why would the government use police force to threaten children to attend such a place? What unbelievable idiocy! Does this make sense?

91 posted on 01/20/2013 9:15:26 AM PST by wintertime
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