Skip to comments.Cut state funding to terminal patients so they "can die quickly"
Posted on 01/21/2013 8:37:27 PM PST by Rabin
Deputy Prime Minister and Finance Minister Taro Aso... on social security reforms, "the medical system should be changed so that the many terminal patients now using government money for expensive treatment, can quickly pass away. Such patients can keep living even if they wish to die...
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You’re absolutely right. We have a socialized medical system, and we know socialism ultimately destroys itself, we have a socialized education system, and we know socialism destroys itself, etc. The government proposes to fix the very market distortions it created with more market distortions! Unfortunately, I really doubt anyone is going to do anything substantial to change the system until after the collapse. As the wealth redistributors love to say, “We’re a wealthy country!” Right? LOL!
first you deny treatment to “incoherent 90 year olds” to justify rationing
then when your costs continue to rise and your dollars remain “finite’, how about denying treatment to incoherent 80 year olds? well, then, how about 70 yr olds with stage 4 cancer that can be managed but not cured? Is that last 5-10 years of life “too expensive”??
What about a 40 year depressive who wants to die? Is it worth expensive treatment to keep them alive against their will?
Now, what about vaccines for a Tay Sachs child or neurobastoma child with a life expectancy of 2 years? For a Down’s child? For a child with a 3rd recurrence of leukemia? Is that the best return for your finite dollars?
What about a 22 week fetus? Is it worth a million dollars to do a C-section and try to save them with a 10% chance of normal survival?
Government takeover and then rationing of medical care for private citizens is not a line in the sand - it is a steep and slippery slope. If I had to choose between the Catholic church and the obama administration to make decisions about medical care and the value of my life, I choose the church
socialized medicine... it’s free, dontcha know... it’s got to bet better then actually paying for stuff
You're getting perilously close to the third rail here (I've tread on it many times).
This conservative website contains many, many posters who believe that the government should spend unlimited quantities of taxed and borrowed money to keep every American nonagerian on unlimited high tech life support.
Anything less is routinely equated with opening up the cans of Zyklon B.
I choose a strong capitalistic system that allows people to pay for whatever care they want and a government that is out of the medical industry completely!!
“I cannot sleep well when I think of (myself receiving expensive treatments) by using government money,...”
So, deep down inside even a socialist knows he is stealing from others in order to live. When people are spending their own money, they are free to spend it as they please or give it away as they see fit.
But many people have been seduced into supporting a morally corrupt and morally corrupting system where they all attempt to live at the expense of others, which in the end destroys far more wealth than it spreads around.
Socialism is evil and those who live by it shall die by it.
If you want heroic end-of-life measures, be sure to get rich during your life.
Just as food, shelter and jobs are not rights, neither is health care. Access to these things is a right but the things themselves must not be guaranteed by the state.
Providing these things provides short term benefits, especially for lying politicians, but eventually destroys the host.
You make a credible case for the worth of pursuing all these expensive medical care scenarios, but fail to make it clear whether or not you believe taxpayers should be forced, under penalty of imprisonment, to pay for them.
I choose the church opinion.
That's as may be, but I don't see the Catholic (or any other) church stepping up to replace the government's role in paying the doctors, nurses, and hospitals. The Catholic hospitals take every Medicare and Medicaid dollar they can. And having "the king's shilling" they are not well positioned to object to the king's decrees.
Everyone is “terminal”, as none are getting out of here alive.
Gov’t will soon decide all expensive treatment will be withheld.
To my knowledge, not a one of them has ever said "I've gotten more than my money's worth, from here on out I will pay my own way".
So if we stopped government funding for those “so called heroic procedures” you’d be OK with that??
Then there is the grandaughter. She is unwilling to face the reality that grammie is dying. She will not permit, in fact will throw a hissy fit, insisting that everything possible be done. She has absolutely no understanding of what is happening. She insists things will improve if the medical staff just does it’s job and makes grammie better.
All stops are pulled out, every test known to man is administered. Dialysis replaces failed kidneys, etctc.....
90 days later grammie is dead. The cost of remedying the hissy fit is astronomical. The process achieved nothing beyond making the granddaughter feel better about herself. The exercise in self esteem building cost tens of thousands of dollars and achieved nothing.
The cost is closer to hundreds of thousands!!
I screw with ya sometimes, but you were amazingly prescient and very forward-thinking here.
Funny thing , I've known several that did exactly that.
Dear Lord, guide and strengthen us in Your will.
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