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Smokers may not be able to afford ‘Obamacare’
The Seattle Times / The Associated Press ^ | January 24, 2013 | Ricardo Alonzo-Zaldivar

Posted on 01/24/2013 11:25:58 PM PST by 2ndDivisionVet

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To: Wolfie

You really need to stay away from topics for which you have no knowledge. And this is obviously one such topic.


61 posted on 01/25/2013 7:22:46 AM PST by Gabz (Democrats for Voldemort.)
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To: Joan Kerrey
I don’t smoke but it is alarming where this is going. Where will it end.

What is alarming is the number of FReepers who actually support government dictating to businesses and individuals what they can and can not do.

62 posted on 01/25/2013 7:25:58 AM PST by Gabz (Democrats for Voldemort.)
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To: 9YearLurker

So your all for empowering the insurance companies to use the full force of the law to force someone to purchase their product. They have governed you well Comrade.


63 posted on 01/25/2013 7:36:07 AM PST by Lurkina.n.Learnin (Superciliousness is the essence of Obama)
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To: Lurkina.n.Learnin

You’re =your


64 posted on 01/25/2013 7:38:29 AM PST by Lurkina.n.Learnin (Superciliousness is the essence of Obama)
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To: Wolfie
"Drug addicts will pay more? Fine by me"

Why are alcoholics left out of this? They are more dangerous than guns or cigarettes. They can kill others. Discrimination between liver and lungs.

Meanwhile, one can get cancer from other stuff besides inhaling cigs.

65 posted on 01/25/2013 7:44:50 AM PST by 1_Rain_Drop
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To: Lurkina.n.Learnin

No, you’ve got a little more learnin’ to do there, Lurkina.

I’m for having the government out of health insurance options and decisions—including allowing insurers to price by risk if they want.

You apparently are the one looking for government to still further constrain free trade.


66 posted on 01/25/2013 8:07:41 AM PST by 9YearLurker
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To: 9YearLurker

When did “Mandate” equate to Free Trade?


67 posted on 01/25/2013 8:15:53 AM PST by Lurkina.n.Learnin (Superciliousness is the essence of Obama)
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To: Lurkina.n.Learnin

I agree. I’m against mandates—including those that cap smoker surcharges at 50% of premiums.


68 posted on 01/25/2013 8:58:13 AM PST by 9YearLurker
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To: Gabz

You keep saying that, but you offer no argument. Weak.


69 posted on 01/25/2013 10:22:53 AM PST by Wolfie
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To: Wolfie

I need not make an argument to nonsensical personal opinion.


70 posted on 01/25/2013 10:33:25 AM PST by Gabz (Democrats for Voldemort.)
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To: 9YearLurker

Yes, it’s despotic to allow a few conditions like smoking to be accurately priced yet not allow many, many conditions- demonstrably more costly - to be so priced.

Some conditions are more equal than others...


71 posted on 01/25/2013 10:43:47 AM PST by mrsmith (Dumb sluts: Lifeblood of the Media, Backbone of the Democrat Party!)
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To: mrsmith

Smoking, of course, is a behavior, not a condition. But the right direction to go in is more freedom of pricing, not less.


72 posted on 01/25/2013 10:48:19 AM PST by 9YearLurker
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To: 9YearLurker
Not accurate? Smokers are more likely to DIE from heart attack, than non-smokers (who are more likely to live through it). Who is subsidizing whom?

Not ACCURATE? Since when did smokers otherwise live as long as non-smokers? Prove your own contentions maybe? Your words & opinions sound like common "anti" smoker diatribe, looking to charge them more, in effect subsidizing those who live longer, since one cannot incur additional costs once deceased.

Unless, oh, wait, smokers can get a subsidy from nonsmokers by keeping a cap on their permitted health insurance costs! Once again, Freepers come out in favor of any subsidy of which they are the beneficiaries

Your premises are faulty from the beginning, then just get worse. It reminds me of listening to Obama.

73 posted on 01/25/2013 11:20:12 AM PST by BlueDragon
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To: BlueDragon

Aren’t you a sweetie!

Yeah, smokers die earlier, which saves the government some old-age entitlement costs, but they are still very expensive, despite their short lives, as far as healthcare is concerned. And if insurance companies can’t price by cost that is far more government intrusion than letting them charge as they’d like.


74 posted on 01/25/2013 2:21:11 PM PST by 9YearLurker
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To: 9YearLurker

While I agree with your premise of leaving the insurance companies alone on this, the rest of your premise is wrong. Smokers pay in far more than they ever use and this has been proven over and over again.


75 posted on 01/25/2013 4:03:49 PM PST by Gabz (Democrats for Voldemort.)
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To: 9YearLurker
This is a political act, not based on medicine or "risk." An abundance of research has shown for years that smokers, by dying an average of 15-20 years early, cost the healthcare system significantly less over their lifespan than nonsmokers.
76 posted on 01/25/2013 5:29:55 PM PST by hinckley buzzard
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To: 9YearLurker

“If that’s what their habit costs, that’s how it should be priced—and they could always quit.”

“And when they came for me, there was nobody left”.


77 posted on 01/25/2013 5:32:42 PM PST by Nik Naym (It's not my fault... I have compulsive smartass disorder.)
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To: 9YearLurker

So you would tell health insurance companies that they can’t price their coverage for risk?

It seems pretty selective to me. Why only raise prices on smokers when the entire country is composed of fat, sugar, salt and junk food addicts. How fair is it for Obamacare to authorize charging more for smoker policies but not allow rates to go up on millions of others whose unhealthy addictions costs are as massive.


78 posted on 01/25/2013 6:06:10 PM PST by Joan Kerrey
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To: Joan Kerrey

Where did you get that from? I’d let insurance companies price theor own products—including coverage for smokers.


79 posted on 01/25/2013 8:31:52 PM PST by 9YearLurker
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To: Joan Kerrey

Where did you get that from? I’d let insurance companies price theor own products—including coverage for smokers.


80 posted on 01/25/2013 8:32:22 PM PST by 9YearLurker
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