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More than 40 huge sinkholes open up all over Pennsylvania’s capital .....
The Daily Mail Online ^ | February 1, 2013 | DAMIAN GHIGLIOTTY

Posted on 02/02/2013 6:38:48 AM PST by Uncle Chip

Officials in Pennsylvania’s state capital are dealing with an abysmal issue they can’t afford to fix: 41 massive sinkholes throughout the city as wide as 50 feet and as deep as a typical grave.

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But the city is too broke to replace many of the aging pipes and repave its roads as it deals with ongoing budget woes and the looming threat of bankruptcy, according to media reports.

The first of the recent sinkholes perforating Harrisburg was reported on New Year's Eve when a chasm measuring an estimated 50 feet long and eight feet deep, swallowed a neighborhood block, damaging water and gas pipes and forcing more than a dozen residents to evacuate their homes.

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In addition to the rising number of sinkholes, the struggling city has been unable to fix a sewage treatment plant that has been dumping toxic waste into the Susquehanna River, which flows into the Chesapeake Bay and the Atlantic Ocean.

‘We can't do anything right now because no one will lend to us,’ William Cluck, chairman of the city agency that oversees the water-treatment facility, told the Journal. Harrisburg, which is in default on its debt, is unable to tap into the municipal-debt market, which cities and states use to finance their infrastructure, including bridges, roads and tunnels.

After city officials rejected a state-sponsored financial recovery plan in July 2011, Harrisburg ‘was briefly transformed into the Greece of Pennsylvania,’ the New York Times wrote in an article published at the time.

The city’s financial woes stem in part from a failed plan to borrow $350 million to upgrade an enormous trash incinerator. That plan fell through in 2010 after the federal government blocked the effort due to the threat of toxic air pollution.

(Excerpt) Read more at dailymail.co.uk ...


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Government; US: Pennsylvania
KEYWORDS: government; harrisburg; harrisburgpa; harrisburgsinkholes; sinkholes
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1 posted on 02/02/2013 6:39:04 AM PST by Uncle Chip
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To: Uncle Chip
But the city is too broke to replace many of the aging pipes and repave its roads as it deals with ongoing budget woes and the looming threat of bankruptcy, according to media reports.

Maybe they should have thought about that before they blew all of the taxpayers money on other "significant" projects.

2 posted on 02/02/2013 6:42:48 AM PST by unixfox (Abolish Slavery, Repeal The 16th Amendment!)
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To: Uncle Chip

1. Have everyone receiving food stamps, unemployment or other types of welfare show up in person to get their money.

2. Hand out shovels.

3. Problem solved.


3 posted on 02/02/2013 6:45:14 AM PST by Cowgirl of Justice
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To: Uncle Chip

Obviously caused by fracking. /sarcasm


4 posted on 02/02/2013 6:45:14 AM PST by Labyrinthos
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To: Uncle Chip
swallowed a neighborhood block, damaging water and gas pipes and forcing more than a dozen residents to evacuate their homes

This reminds me of the aliens in Independence Day - consume all the resources and then move to another place and start over.

5 posted on 02/02/2013 6:45:29 AM PST by FatherofFive (Islam is evil and must be eradicated)
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To: unixfox

I think they inherited their problems from the Republican administration around 1902, wasn’t that the last time a republican was in charge?


6 posted on 02/02/2013 6:47:40 AM PST by fatrat (extremely extreme right-wing radicalized veteran)
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To: Uncle Chip

At least it’s a start.


7 posted on 02/02/2013 6:50:12 AM PST by SeaHawkFan
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To: Labyrinthos
Obviously caused by fracking. /sarcasm

Of course not caused, but fracking will be blamed nevertheless. "The fracking caused the ground to shake which broke the pipes which caused the sinkholes! Big Oil has to pay for the cleanup!" Or any of a dozen other excuses.

8 posted on 02/02/2013 6:51:58 AM PST by FatherofFive (Islam is evil and must be eradicated)
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To: Uncle Chip

“Stephen Reed, Harrisburg’s former mayor who ran the city for 28 years, brought it to near bankruptcy as the more than $500 million in bond deals he oversaw to finance development projects drained the city’s coffers, according to Bloomberg.”

Sounds like what is going on in D.C.


9 posted on 02/02/2013 6:52:02 AM PST by huldah1776
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To: FatherofFive
This reminds me of the aliens in Independence Day - consume all the resources and then move to another place and start over.

Perfect description of the democrats. They've destroyed their homes, now they're moving down here to destroy mine.

10 posted on 02/02/2013 6:54:20 AM PST by aomagrat (Gun owners who vote for democrats are too stupid to own guns.)
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To: Uncle Chip

Again, any thing NEGATIVE and we have to hear it from the Brits.

Is Harrisburg built over old coal mines? Or is it to far East?

Is it Detroit that is built over a Salt Mine?


11 posted on 02/02/2013 6:55:22 AM PST by xrmusn (6/98 "It is virtually impossible to clean the pond as long as the pigs are still crapping in it")
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To: Uncle Chip

“It would cost nearly half of Harrisburg’s $50 million budget to permanently fix the 41 sinkholes, one city engineer recently estimated.”

Only because they would have to use city workers and union labor and pay off all people involved.


12 posted on 02/02/2013 6:55:39 AM PST by raybbr (People who still support Obama are either a Marxist or a moron.)
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To: Cowgirl of Justice

You forgot:

2a) Have on hand an instructor to teach the welfare cases how to use a shovel: which end is the handle, hold the concave side up or the dirt will fall out, step on the ridge at the top when necessary, &etc.

:-)


13 posted on 02/02/2013 6:59:10 AM PST by Nervous Tick (Without GOD, men get what they deserve.)
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To: Uncle Chip

The “righteous judgement of God upon these barbarous wretches..”- Oliver Cromwell


14 posted on 02/02/2013 6:59:56 AM PST by GenXteacher (You have chosen dishonor to avoid war; you shall have war also.)
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To: Uncle Chip
...the struggling city has been unable to fix a sewage treatment plant that has been dumping toxic waste into the Susquehanna River, which flows into the Chesapeake Bay and the Atlantic Ocean.

EPA should give them the Jefferson County treatment. But they won't because PA is a red state and this is the seat of government in PA.

Jefferson County Recap:
In 1993 attorney Bart Slawson filed a lawsuit against the county on behalf of residents near the Cahaba River alleging that the county's sewer system was spilling and overflowing during heavy rains, allowing large amounts of untreated wastewater to enter the Cahaba River

The county settled both lawsuits in the US District Court by signing a consent decree in December 1996. The county agreed to make the improvements necessary to satisfy the EPA that the system complied with the federal Clean Water Act.

Altogether, the cost of complying with the decree was estimated to be $1.2 BILLION. Population: 600,000

They spent over $3.3 BILLION. Residential sewer rates went up 7X.

I say give Harrisburg the full EPA treatment.

15 posted on 02/02/2013 7:01:46 AM PST by ProtectOurFreedom
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To: Nervous Tick

Gandy dancing...


16 posted on 02/02/2013 7:03:12 AM PST by null and void (Gun confiscation enables tyranny. Don't enable Tyranny)
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To: huldah1776

Sounds like what is going on in D.C
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DC ended up with a 400 mill (give or take) surplus.

THE ONLY thing (officially) NOT mentioned is giving it back to the taxpayers.

HIZHONOR, MAYOR FOR LIFE, Marion Berry (The Biatch set me up) took after the Comptroller - who Resigned yesterday.

Berry’s BIGGEST problem is “HOW stupid is the administration to allow that money to be shown as a plus. Back in my day, we had stopgaps to PREVENT extra monies from being found”.

Of course MB was one of those pols that truly thought “THE BUCK STOPS HERE” only he was talking money, not scruples.

I heard that from the ‘fly on the wall’ that was present.
Hell, if it works for Reid, it should work for me.


17 posted on 02/02/2013 7:05:08 AM PST by xrmusn (6/98 "It is virtually impossible to clean the pond as long as the pigs are still crapping in it")
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To: FatherofFive

It made me think of science fiction too.


18 posted on 02/02/2013 7:05:26 AM PST by PghBaldy (12/14 - 930am -rampage begins... 12/15 - 1030am - Obama's advance team scouts photo-op locations.)
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To: fatrat

I remember when the mayor tried to steal money from flood victims by declaring a $2000/day fine on residents who had flood debris piled up on their property.

All other places were doing their best to help everyone get it cleared - but not in Harrisburg

To call them incompetent is an insult to incompetent people


19 posted on 02/02/2013 7:06:33 AM PST by Scotswife
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To: raybbr

$1.2 MILLION per hole! What do they propose to fill them with?


20 posted on 02/02/2013 7:06:50 AM PST by WSGilcrest (/s)
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To: Cowgirl of Justice

According to the Federal Govt. you just raise taxes and confiscate profits from business.


21 posted on 02/02/2013 7:06:58 AM PST by spudville
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To: aomagrat

First homes.
Then cities.
Then nations.


22 posted on 02/02/2013 7:08:11 AM PST by gotribe (obama = the Great Divider)
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To: Uncle Chip

23 posted on 02/02/2013 7:08:47 AM PST by JoeProBono (A closed mouth gathers no feet - Mater tua caligas exercitus gerit ;-{)
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To: unixfox

Amazing that they can’t afford to fix these obvious slaps at the EPA and we don’t see any heavy-handed law suits being levied. If an average citizen had such discrepancies, they would be in debtor’s prison just for the interest on the fines...


24 posted on 02/02/2013 7:08:58 AM PST by trebb (Allies no longer trust us. Enemies no longer fear us.)
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To: WSGilcrest; raybbr

Excuse me, half that. Still, $600k/hole. Geez.


25 posted on 02/02/2013 7:09:14 AM PST by WSGilcrest (/s)
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To: WSGilcrest

And though the holes were rather small, they had to count them all.


26 posted on 02/02/2013 7:11:09 AM PST by dfwgator
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To: Uncle Chip
It's globull warming I tell ya.

5.56mm

27 posted on 02/02/2013 7:11:23 AM PST by M Kehoe
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To: Uncle Chip
And here is the quote from this article that will be repeated over and over again in ever larger, cascading stories about government of all levels.

‘We can't do anything right now because no one will lend to us,’

Of course once it reaches the national level it will no longer be a matter of lending; naked seizure by force will be the order of the day.

28 posted on 02/02/2013 7:11:42 AM PST by Pan_Yan
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To: gotribe

Pennsylvania has beautiful countryside, forests, mountains, & picturesque small towns. I have driven through PA often.

But its cities suck! Every single time the interstate runs through or near built up areas, traffic slows to a single-lane crawl. And I wouldn’t touch Philadelphia with a thirty nine and a half foot pole!


29 posted on 02/02/2013 7:14:20 AM PST by elcid1970 ("The Second Amendment is more important than Islam.")
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To: Uncle Chip

Fill them with water and turn them into duck ponds.


30 posted on 02/02/2013 7:14:27 AM PST by Iron Munro (I Miss America, don't you?)
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To: Nervous Tick
2a) Have on hand an instructor to teach the welfare cases how to use a shovel: which end is the handle, hold the concave side up or the dirt will fall out, step on the ridge at the top when necessary, &etc

'learn something new everyday!

31 posted on 02/02/2013 7:15:18 AM PST by Walmartian (I'm their leader. Which way did they go?)
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To: Uncle Chip

Governments have forgotten what their main function is.

The left has taken us down a road where the government provides the necessities of life for many. As the catch phrase of the day says, this is unsustainable.

A government that does not have the money to fix the infrastructure should not be spending any money on welfare.

This may sound heartless but before the government got involved private citizens and charities were available to assist the really needy

I am now convinced that governments have made everything worse and have not solved any problems.

Our nation is falling apart and the left continues with policies and laws that do nothing but hurry it along.


32 posted on 02/02/2013 7:15:28 AM PST by CIB-173RDABN (California does not have a money problem, it has a spending problem.)
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To: xrmusn

Part of Cleveland is over a salt mine.


33 posted on 02/02/2013 7:15:41 AM PST by Sigurdrifta
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To: xrmusn

The sewage pipes pre-date the civil war. The sink holes are probably from leaks over the last 150 years.


34 posted on 02/02/2013 7:18:03 AM PST by Safetgiver ( Islam makes barbarism look genteel.)
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To: Uncle Chip

Maybe they can borrow some bucks from Egypt’s muslim Morsi....he’s flush with American tax dollars!


35 posted on 02/02/2013 7:21:45 AM PST by wesagain (The God #Elohim# of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob is the One True GOD.)
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To: Nervous Tick

IIRC there was a 2 week training period to teach people how to use a shovel during the BP oil spill.


36 posted on 02/02/2013 7:22:34 AM PST by IMR 4350
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To: huldah1776
He also took $8.3 Million from the water & sewer authority to buy antiques for an Old West museum, apparently:

http://www.pennlive.com/midstate/index.ssf/2012/06/former_harrisburg_mayor_stephe_3.html

37 posted on 02/02/2013 7:24:57 AM PST by PghBaldy (12/14 - 930am -rampage begins... 12/15 - 1030am - Obama's advance team scouts photo-op locations.)
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To: Uncle Chip

And this is the weekend the gun show would have been held in Harrisburg. Its ‘postponement’ had to be a total killer to the city’s economy.

I DO feel badly for the decent, hard-working people there, but they keep voting into office people who have no idea what they are doing, who think the public coffers are there to pay off their base and their cronies, while enriching themselves and their families. Not a Rx for success.


38 posted on 02/02/2013 7:25:49 AM PST by EDINVA
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To: xrmusn

No. I believe Karst topography.


39 posted on 02/02/2013 7:30:27 AM PST by Oratam
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To: Cowgirl of Justice

Perfect! Nicely done ;-)


40 posted on 02/02/2013 7:34:06 AM PST by rockrr (Everything is different now...)
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To: Uncle Chip

When registered Democrats suffer....well Im kinda happy


41 posted on 02/02/2013 7:34:14 AM PST by rrrod (at home in Medellin Colombia)
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To: Uncle Chip

Bet they wish they could print their own currency.


42 posted on 02/02/2013 7:41:07 AM PST by Yardstick
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To: EDINVA

That was the first thing that came to mind when I saw the headline. I bet they would have like to see those tax dollars.


43 posted on 02/02/2013 7:44:11 AM PST by listenhillary (Courts, law enforcement, roads and national defense should be the extent of government)
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To: Uncle Chip

Other issues: Harrisburg has also been unable to fix a sewage treatment plant that has been dumping toxic waste into the Susquehanna River, which flows into the Chesapeake Bay and the Atlantic Ocean

44 posted on 02/02/2013 7:45:11 AM PST by kabar
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To: kabar

Sacramento is one big sinkhole.


45 posted on 02/02/2013 7:46:03 AM PST by morphing libertarian
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To: Cowgirl of Justice
Have everyone receiving food stamps, unemployment or other types of welfare show up in person to get their money.

2. Hand out shovels.

3. Problem solved.

Don't you know than common sense in government is a no-no

46 posted on 02/02/2013 7:51:29 AM PST by piroque ("In times of universal deceit, telling the truth becomes a revolutionary act")
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To: xrmusn
Is it Detroit that is built over a Salt Mine?

Yes.

http://aryancoleman.files.wordpress.com/2012/07/salt11.jpg

47 posted on 02/02/2013 7:52:43 AM PST by stayathomemom (Beware of kittens modifying your posts.)
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To: WSGilcrest

“$1.2 MILLION per hole! What do they propose to fill them with?”

Taxpayer dollars, of course.:-D


48 posted on 02/02/2013 8:06:46 AM PST by raybbr (People who still support Obama are either a Marxist or a moron.)
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To: Uncle Chip
Look, see . . . shovel ready jobs! Oh, wait, that would be like “work”. Forget it.
49 posted on 02/02/2013 8:25:44 AM PST by MasterGunner01
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To: Uncle Chip; fatima; Fresh Wind; st.eqed; xsmommy; House Atreides; Nowhere Man; South Hawthorne; ...
P> PA Ping!

If you see posts of interest to Pennsylvanians, please ping me.

Thanks!

Here is a slide show from WSJ online

Bottom Falls Out of Debt-Ridden City

50 posted on 02/02/2013 8:45:17 AM PST by P.O.E. (Pray for America)
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