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To: Ohioan; C. Edmund Wright

I agree to some degree with what you say. However, I had to do a lot of soul searching regarding my efforts to persuade liberals to come away from the dark side. The reason? I realized that you could make a cohesive argument that the sky is blue and show your work and even the educated and smart ones would argue that it was red and throw out “raw stats” to support their ridiculous position. After a few years of this with the same people you realize that your efforts could best be maximized by “shaking the dust off your feet and spend your time on others.

That is what I now do. But for me it is on an individual one to one basis. I’ve found the best way to deal with this is to ignore the politics altogether since that really does lead to a dead end. The problem we are having now is not political. the politics is a symptom of another problem. A root problem. It is spiritual.

So I focus on the spiritual. When everything does collapse, hopefully there will be enough left with the right spiritual perspective to build it again as our founding fathers did.

Personally, I strongly believe it won’t matter because we are watching the prelude to the day of the Lord. That is what matters, and what I discuss usually. The politics is a side show.


141 posted on 02/07/2013 10:33:02 AM PST by cuban leaf (Were doomed! Details at eleven.)
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To: cuban leaf
In the vein that you suggest, do you not see a return to the spiritual issue at Babel, where chaos, not redemption, followed the frustration of the humanist experiment?

While not a "fundamentalist," myself--although many of my former political supporters were & are--I have suggested that the Leftist pursuit of the notion of "one world," or one species, is indeed an effort to Return To Babel?

Frankly, I believe that God helps those who step up, to responsibly help themselves; and that, so long as there is positive good that we can do, to reverse the fall into chaos, we must do that which we can. Rove, being an unprincipled & analytically dysfunctional bully, is only an impediment to that process.

William Flax

146 posted on 02/07/2013 10:48:29 AM PST by Ohioan
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