Posted on 03/10/2013 8:19:44 AM PDT by BroJoeK
Doesn’t matter what I would call it. I did NOT say what you alleged I said. What I would call THAT is lying.
You agree that he agonized?
“I, _____, appointed a _____ in the Army of the United States, do solemnly swear, or affirm, that I will bear true allegiance to the United States of America, and that I will serve them honestly and faithfully
against all their enemies or opposers whatsoever, and observe and obey the orders of the President of the United States, and the orders of the officers appointed over me, according to the rules and articles for the government of the Armies of the United States.”
Officer oath, circa 1830.
I, Robert E. Lee, a cadet born in the State of Virginia, aged 18 years and 9 months, do hereby acknowledge to have this day voluntarily engaged with the consent of my mother to serve in the Army of the United States for a period of five years, unless sooner discharged by proper authority. And I do promise upon honor that I will observe and obey the orders of the officers appointed over me, the rules and articles of war, and the regulations which have been or may hereafter be established for the government of the Military Academy.” [Douglas S. Freeman, R. E. Lee: A Biography, Vol. 1, page 51]
Oh, come on, make a stab at defending Lee from a charge of treason. Please do ‘mitt sucre drausen’.
“I,______, do solemnly swear or affirm (as the case may be) that I will support the constitution of the United States.”
“I,_______, do solemnly swear or affirm (as the case may be) to bear true allegiance to the United States of America, and to serve them honestly and faithfully, against all their enemies or opposers whatsoever, and to observe and obey the orders
of the President of the United States of America, and the orders of the officers appointed over me.”
1829 oath of Army officers.
First off, why would I argue with a liar?
Second, I know you are familiar with the arguments that I would trot out. As one of them would suggest, either you agree that the WBTS was the moral equivalent to the American Revolution or you don’t. I already know which you believe simply by your comments so far.
So, going back to number one, why would I argue with a liar?
No thanks.
Ok, You fail to argue with yourself because you are a liar. By contrast, truth may be unpleasant.
So Lee agonized over breaking his oaths, and decided that he cared more for slavery than honor.
Won’t take the bait, donmeaker the liar.
Rather Don Meaker the provider of truth.
Well, now we have two documented lies.
Keep digging.
You wrote quoting the source I provided:
“In another departure from the conventional portrait of Lee, you show him agonizing over joining the Confederacy.”
What?! She “discovered” one of the most commonly known things about Lee?! It was so well known Ang Lee used it in one of his movies.”
So perhaps you agree that Lee agonized.
What would he agonize about?
Would he agonize over whether it would rain? Would he agonize over an estimation of in which army he would rise most quickly?
Or would he agonize over an oath that he took during he career, that would require him to support the US against any enemy whatever, even if that enemy was his friends and neighbors. I submit the latter. Sadly he made the wrong decision. Fortunately for him, Grant was magnanamous in granting terms, giving him and others surrender terms that gave him immediate parole. When he was considered for a treason trial, his defense was that his terms did not permit that, that he had kept the terms of that parole, and that gave him immunity from trial. Not that he did not commit the offense, but rather that his parole, granted under the terms of his surrender were so magnanamous that he, and other soldiers under his command, were exempt from trial, conviction, and punishment.
As Bill Ayers said after getting off on a technicality for many fewer deaths than Lee: “Guilty as Hell, free as a bird.”
And like R.E. Lee, Ayers went into academia where traitors could be protected and coddled by the like minded.
I’m sorry which parts are the lies and which aren’t? See, that the problem. Once your become a documented liar, no one knows what would be the truth and what would be the lie.
Sucks to be you, Liardonmeaker.
All of it is true. Every word. Take it to the bank.
The part that you write? That is where you find lies. Lies like “Lee was an honorable man.”
What’s that, Liar Boy? Hwert him wittle feewings? Now him make up more stuff I suppusedwy said.
Poor wittle Liar Boy.
How old are you? Seven?
Bad spelling is not an argument.
Nor is you pretending that you don’t understand the word “like”.
You give him too much credit ;-)
Stupidity is not an excuse, even for documented liars.
‘That is why I don’t excuse you based on your pretense at stupidity.
LOL! The Pee Wee Herman rebuttal. “I know you are, but what am I?”
Dude give up while you’re behind.
Pathetic. Shaking my head, walking away.
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