Posted on 03/14/2013 3:17:55 PM PDT by Texas Fossil
Yet the Perrybots spent most of his presidential campaign arguing that Perry was a good "conservative" Democrat when he endorsed Al Gore for President. They even tried to make the case that Gore was also a good "conservative" Democrat in 1988, and kept insisting on this argument after freepers researched Al Gore's Senate record from that period and thoroughly debunked it.
So what you are saying in simple terms is...
“Lets wait until the primaries to weed out the wheat from the chaff... like last time. Let’s stick our heads in the sand about the very real and factually documented issues that somewhat popular right wing candidates/potential candidates have NOW, so we can have another movement splitting bashfest when it benefits the liberals the most.”
That cover it? Yes it does because that’s exactly what your logic leads to.
Perry has issues. He has had them for some time. If the people of Texas are good with him, that’s their business. But the rest of us in the other 56 states think we SHOULD do better. As in a conservative that thinks that parents, not government should determine what STD vaccines their children get, or that we need a more permanent border solution than drones and cameras that Democrats can, will and DO take offline as the political desires of the moment dictate. And lets not curiously overlook his TTC fiasco and all the horrid anticonservative issues wrapped up in that.
The man had his shot at the brass ring. It’s not his back pain meds that killed his candidacy. We all have issues beyond our control. It’s the positions he held contrary to conservative thought that tanked him.
I guess the real question is, "Who do we have that has no issues, or at least few enough issues that our side can gather round and give unadulterated support?"
Last election, I kept hear the name "Virgil Goode", but he seems to have the recognition vector of Ralph Jones, despite being on a ticket.
I keep hearing things that are wrong on our side, with a few attaboys for Rand Paul and Ted Cruz (followed up by the negatives or ineligibility opinions), and some folks still lament that Palin didn't run, then turn around and poke her in the eye for not being as astute as those who wanted her on the ticket. What I haven't heard is any rumbling about who to shoot for or how to get him/her on the ticket. Until then, I'll just be a pest by pointing out that we are quite good at shooting ourselves in the foot and this last election should count for a near-miss suicide shot to our heads - who knows, it might be the tipping point from which we never recover.
I'm open to thoughts or ideas, but nobody seems to have any other than speaking good of someone out of one side of their mouth then trashing them from the other side. Hardly seems to be a productive plan of action.
To me it seems obvious that as long as all the talk/hype etc centers on our has beens and never was’s, no one will step up.
Additionally, as long as the conservative base keeps sticking its finger in the air to test win direction, people worth having as elected officials, principled people, will not subject themselves and families to the backstabbing and fairweather BS the political Right has become famous for.
Solution? Stop supporting that which we do not believe in and support that which we do. Cruz is so far a great example. Zero to hero. No one ever heard of him 8 months ago. Today, he is a darling (and deservedly so).
But look at all the people on the right who poo poo’d him because ...he will never win!!!”
He won. And so far so good. That can and will happen again if we stop supporting impediments to it happening again.
There go the Republicans getting together to slam other Republicans. It never fails nor does it ever change.
Today I got to thinking back to the 2000 recount in FL and how we were all unified in trying to keep Dims from stealing the election from Bush.
I wonder if that kind of unity is possible today? We all look for the very worst we can find in others and we refuse to let it go. This attitude empowers Democrats--they love it.
No, but they could have helped keep Obama out of office but chose not to. I cannot say the contempt I feel for those who deserted our country at a time of need.
It’s orders of magnitude less than the contempt I feel for the people, who after seeing what happens when the Political Right gets behind leftist candidates, are willing to drive right down the same road again, expecting a different result.
When one of these people explains fully how voting left moves the country right, I’ll be glad to listen. However, we saw what happened. They voted for a compromised ‘Republican’ in every way a ‘Republican’ can be compromised, and we got 4 more of Obama. We saw what he did in Mass. Only an abject fool believes he would have done anything different.
So yea. Keep moderating your ethics. Keep moderating your principles in the fantasy that ‘lesser evils’ are ‘good’ and will move America to conservatism.
Good luck with that.
No, it is a life or death power struggle for the future of the nation.
Either we fix the direction within the party or it will collapse. If we do fix it, it may still collapse.
This is a serious threat to the nation.
Agreed - we, and the GOP, have allowed Constitutional Conservatism to be tainted by the Left's relentless planning and implementation of their plans. Until it stops, we are pretty much doomed.
Solution? Stop supporting that which we do not believe in and support that which we do. Cruz is so far a great example. Zero to hero. No one ever heard of him 8 months ago. Today, he is a darling (and deservedly so).
Another agreed - I love the Cruz I have been seeing/hearing. Yet we already have folks on our side declaring him ineligible to run. When we sow the seeds of doubt this early, you can bet there are folks on the Left who are already planning to try to leverage the doubt that may exist if/when he tries to move up the food chain.
He won. And so far so good. That can and will happen again if we stop supporting impediments to it happening again.
Another agree and, when added to the last comment, it seems to be the crux of our problem - do we continue to eat those who have a few faults vs. a lot of pluses in order to "purify" the field, or is that also part of the problem? I felt I was "settling" when I voted for Romney, but I would wager we would be a bunch better off with anyone but Obama. While having him continuing the destruction for another 4 years may energize us, it also extends the damage and gives them time to plan the next set of lies that will be believed by the low-info voters due to the fact that they are feeling the pain and the Left (especially the MSM) will continue to trash Republicans and push the meme that the Dims love them and feel their pain - if only them eeevilll Repubs would play fair. Did we lose or gain by making a statement against a Romney? I pray we won something, but I fear we lost even more than if we had taken what we could get and then planned from a position where we had the greater amount of influence. I'm not sure there is a real solution at this time, but I have decided that anyone to the right of Chris Christie will not be trashed by me because of what the alternative is. If there is someone who is worthy of 100% backing, all the better, but we have to realize that our moral certitudes are also an impairment in the war against a Left that will unflinchingly rally 'round whoever they put up. Rush may get away with tying one have his brain behind his back, but we can't afford to purposely lame ourselves if we really intend to do effective battle. I'll support the soldiers we have available and pray for a true Commander to rise from the ranks. Might they do damage such as Bush did? Yep, but not as much damage as an unfettered enemy with full Party and MSM support. We have given away huge chunks of ground and are running out of real estate if we hope to have a chance to turn things around.
I'm not sure there is a viable answer anymore. We have so many infiltrators on our side of the aisle that we, as a "Party" have become divided. Biblically, we are doomed as "A house divided cannot stand". Let's hope for a miracle - we need one.
BUMP!
You know I can’t believe I actually argued with those people instead of just telling them to eff off.
Defending Al Gore!!! Of all things!!! The gall of these idiots who box themselves into indefensible positions. Most people just keep digging the hole all the way to China before they’d consider admitting they were wrong.
And the truth, you gotta stretch it, anything to defend “your candidate” and paint him the best possible light. Have an excuse ready for every concern raised.
My basic benchmark for supporting a candidate, any candidate, is that if I can’t intellectually defend them, I can’t support them. If it reaches a point that you’re openly having to defend and excused a flawed candidate, you’re corrupting your own integrity, values and conscience. To do that for ANY politician is inexcusable.
It’s why there was no way I was ever voting for Willard.
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