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Hitler joins gun debate, but history is in dispute
The Houston Chronicle ^ | March 23, 2013 | ADAM GELLER, AP National Writer

Posted on 03/23/2013 9:21:19 AM PDT by urtax$@work

When the president of Ohio's state school board posted her opposition to gun control, she used a powerful symbol to make her point: a picture of Adolf Hitler. When a well-known conservative commentator decried efforts to restrict guns, he argued that if only Jews in Poland had been better armed, many more would have survived the Holocaust.

In the months since the Newtown, Conn., school massacre, some gun rights supporters have repeatedly......

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1 posted on 03/23/2013 9:21:19 AM PDT by urtax$@work
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To the Left there is no such thing as factual history, just what that "feel" should be factual history.
2 posted on 03/23/2013 9:25:42 AM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum ("Somebody has to be courageous enough to stand up to the bullies." --Dr. Ben Carson)
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To: E. Pluribus Unum
Fuhrer, We Belong to you!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V6ke8_bhZW4

Skip to 3:10 to learn about how the Kids were suppose to rat out their parents to the Gestapo.

Turning the Kiddies into what they want.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LdqaZNfs1mk


3 posted on 03/23/2013 9:27:54 AM PDT by KC_Lion (Build the America you want to live in at your address, and keep looking up.-Sarah Palin)
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To: urtax$@work

Kitty Werthmann is

85 years old.

America truly is

the Greatest Country in the World.
~ By: Kitty

Werthmann

What I am about to

tell you is something you’ve probably never heard or will

ever read in history books.

I believe that I

am an eyewitness to history. I cannot tell you that

Hitler took Austria by tanks and guns; it would

distort history. We elected him by a landslide - 98%

of the vote. I’ve never read that in any American

publications. Everyone thinks that Hitler just

rolled in with his tanks and took Austria by force.

In 1938, Austria

was in deep Depression. Nearly one-third of our

workforce was unemployed. We had 25% inflation and

25% bank loan interest rates.

Farmers and

business people were declaring bankruptcy daily.

Young people were going from house to house begging for

food. Not that they didn’t want to work; there

simply weren’t any jobs. My mother was a Christian

woman and believed in helping people in need. Every

day we cooked a big kettle of soup and baked bread to feed

those poor, hungry people - about 30 daily.

The Communist

Party and the National Socialist Party were fighting each

other. Blocks and blocks of cities like Vienna ,

Linz , and Graz were destroyed. The people became

desperate and petitioned the government to let them decide

what kind of government they wanted.

We looked to our

neighbor on the north, Germany , where Hitler had been in

power since 1933. We had been told that they didn’t

have unemployment or crime, and they had a high standard

of living. Nothing was ever said about persecution

of any group — Jewish or otherwise. We were led to

believe that everyone was happy. We wanted the same

way of life in Austria . We were promised that a

vote for Hitler would mean the end of unemployment and

help for the family. Hitler also said that

businesses would be assisted, and farmers would get their

farms back. Ninety-eight percent of the population

voted to annex Austria to Germany and have Hitler

for our ruler.

We were overjoyed,

and, for three days, we danced in the streets and had

candlelight parades. The new government opened up

big field kitchens and everyone was fed.

After the

election, German officials were appointed, and like a

miracle, we suddenly had law and order. Three or

four weeks later, everyone was employed. The

government made sure that a lot of work was created

through the Public Work Service.

Hitler decided we

should have equal rights for women. Before this, it

was a custom that married Austrian women did not work

outside the home. An able-bodied husband would be

looked down on if he couldn’t support his family.

Many women in the teaching profession were elated that

they could retain the jobs they previously had been

required to give up for marriage.

Hitler

Targets Education - Eliminates Religious Instruction for

Children:

Our education was

nationalized. I attended a very good public

school. The population was predominantly Catholic,

so we had religion in our schools. The day we

elected Hitler (March 13, 1938), I walked into my

schoolroom to find the crucifix replaced by Hitler’s

picture hanging next to a Nazi flag. Our teacher, a

very devout woman, stood up and told the class we wouldn’t

pray or have religion anymore. Instead, we sang

“Deutschland, Deutschland, Uber Alles,” and had physical

education.

Sunday became

National Youth Day with compulsory attendance.

Parents were not pleased about the sudden change in

curriculum. They were told that if they did not send

us, they would receive a stiff letter of warning the first

time. The second time they would be fined the

equivalent of $300, and the third time they would be

subject to jail. The first two hours consisted of

political indoctrination. The rest of the day we had

sports. As time went along, we loved it. Oh,

we had so much fun and got our sports equipment

free. We would go home and gleefully tell our

parents about the wonderful time we had..

My mother was very

unhappy. When the next term started, she took me out

of public school and put me in a convent. I told her

she couldn’t do that and she told me that someday, when I

grew up, I would be grateful. There was a very good

curriculum, but hardly any fun - no sports, and no

political indoctrination. I hated it at first, but

felt I could tolerate it. Every once in a while, on

holidays, I went home. I would go back to my old

friends and ask what was going on and what they were

doing. Their loose lifestyle was very alarming to

me. They lived without religion. By that time,

unwed mothers were glorified for having a baby for

Hitler. It seemed strange to me that our society

changed so suddenly. As time went along, I realized

what a great deed my mother did so that I wasn’t exposed

to that kind of humanistic philosophy.

Equal

Rights Hits Home:

In 1939, the war

started and a food bank was established. All food

was rationed and could only be purchased using food

stamps. At the same time, a full-employment law was

passed which meant, if you didn’t work, you didn’t get a

ration card, and if you didn’t have a card, you starved to

death. Women who stayed home to raise their families

didn’t have any marketable skills and often had to take

jobs more suited for men.

Soon after this,

the draft was implemented. It was compulsory for

young people, male and female, to give one year to the

labor corps. During the day, the girls worked on the

farms, and at night they returned to their barracks for

military training just like the boys. They were

trained to be anti-aircraft gunners and participated in

the signal corps. After the labor corps, they were

not discharged but were used in the front lines.

When I go back to Austria to visit my family and friends,

most of these women are emotional cripples because they

just were not equipped to handle the horrors of

combat. Three months before I turned 18, I was

severely injured in an air raid attack. I nearly had

a leg amputated, so I was spared having to go into the

labor corps and into military service.

Hitler

Restructured the Family Through Daycare:

When the mothers

had to go out into the work force, the government

immediately established child care centers. You

could take your children ages 4 weeks to school age and

leave them there around-the-clock, 7 days a week, under

the total care of the government. The state raised a

whole generation of children. There were no motherly

women to take care of the children, just people highly

trained in child psychology. By this time, no one

talked about equal rights. We knew we had been

had.

Health Care and Small

Business Suffer Under Government Controls:

Before

Hitler, we had very good medical care.

Many American doctors trained at the University of Vienna

. After Hitler, health care was socialized, free for

everyone. Doctors were salaried by the government.

The problem was, since it was free, the people were going to the

doctors for everything. When the good doctor arrived at

his office at 8 a.m., 40 people were already waiting and, at the

same time, the hospitals were full. If you needed elective

surgery, you had to wait a year or two for your turn.

There was no money for research as it was poured into

socialized medicine. Research at the medical schools

literally stopped, so the best doctors left Austria and

emigrated to other countries.

As

for healthcare, our tax rates went up to 80% of our

income.

Newlyweds immediately received a $1,000 loan from the government

to establish a household. We had big programs for

families. All day care and education were free. High

schools were taken over by the government and college tuition

was subsidized. Everyone was entitled to free handouts,

such as food stamps, clothing, and housing.

We

had another agency designed to monitor business. My

brother-in-law owned a restaurant that had square tables.

Government officials told him he had to replace them with round

tables because people might bump themselves on the

corners. Then they said he had to have additional bathroom

facilities. It was just a small dairy business with a

snack bar. He couldn’t meet all the demands. Soon,

he went out of business. If the government owned the large

businesses and not many small ones existed, it could be in

control.

We

had consumer protection. We were told how to shop and what

to buy. Free enterprise was essentially abolished.

We had a planning agency specially designed for farmers.

The agents would go to the farms, count the livestock, then tell

the farmers what to produce, and how to produce it.

“Mercy

Killing” Redefined:

In

1944, I was a student teacher in a small village in the Alps

. The villagers were surrounded by mountain passes which,

in the winter, were closed off with snow, causing people to be

isolated. So people intermarried and offspring were

sometimes retarded. When I arrived, I was told there were

15 mentally retarded adults, but they were all useful and did

good manual work. I knew one, named Vincent, very

well. He was a janitor of the school. One day, I

looked out the window and saw Vincent and others getting into a

van. I asked my superior where they were going. She

said to an institution where the State Health Department would

teach them a trade, and to read and write. The families

were required to sign papers with a little clause that they

could not visit for 6 months. They were told visits would

interfere with the program and might cause homesickness.

As

time passed, letters started to dribble back saying these people

died a natural, merciful death. The villagers were not

fooled. We suspected what was happening. Those

people left in excellent physical health and all died within 6

months. We called this euthanasia.

The

Final Steps - Gun Laws:

Next

came gun registration. People were getting injured by

guns. Hitler said that the real way to catch criminals (we

still had a few) was by matching serial numbers on guns.

Most citizens were law-abiding and dutifully marched to the

police station to register their firearms. Not long

afterwards, the police said that it was best for everyone to

turn in their guns. The authorities already knew who had

them, so it was futile not to comply voluntarily.

No

more freedom of speech. Anyone who said something against

the government was taken away. We knew many people who

were arrested, not only Jews, but also priests and ministers who

spoke up.

Totalitarianism

didn’t come quickly, it took 5 years from 1938 until 1943, to

realize full dictatorship in Austria . Had it happened

overnight, my countrymen would have fought to the last

breath. Instead, we had creeping gradualism.

Now, our only weapons were broom handles. The whole idea

sounds almost unbelievable that the state, little by little,

eroded our freedom.

After

World War II, Russian troops occupied Austria.

Women were raped, pre-teen to elderly. The press never

wrote about this, either. When the Soviets left in 1955,

they took everything that they could, dismantling whole

factories in the process. They sawed down whole orchards

of fruit, and what they couldn’t destroy, they burned. We

called it The Burned Earth. Most of the population

barricaded themselves in their houses. Women hid in their

cellars for 6 weeks as the troops mobilized. Those who

couldn’t, paid the price. There is a monument in Vienna

today, dedicated to those women who were massacred by the

Russians. This is an eye witness account.

“It’s

true … those of us who sailed past the Statue of Liberty came to

a country of unbelievable freedom and opportunity.

America

… truly is the Greatest Country in the World. Don’t Let

Freedom Slip Away!

“After

America , There is No Place to Go.”

The

author of this article lives in South Dakota

and is very active in attempting to maintain our freedom.

I encourage everybody to read this article and pass it

along. I see so many parallels in this country; are we

going to sit by and watch it happen? Spread the word; also

contact your congressional reps; vote them out if they don’t do

what they should. If you don’t want to be bothered, then

you’re part of the problem! Google Kitty Werthmann and you

will see articles and videos.


4 posted on 03/23/2013 9:28:05 AM PDT by Parmy
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

To a democrat, history ends with the period at the end of every sentence and a new history begins with the first letter of the next.


5 posted on 03/23/2013 9:29:07 AM PDT by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: urtax$@work

As usual, the international socialists at the Associated Press are still pissed off at the national socialists, smearing the national socialists as “right-wing.” Those mean national socialists defeated the communists... something that really sticks in their craw. Orwell had this one pegged: “We have always been at war with Eastasia.”


6 posted on 03/23/2013 9:30:16 AM PDT by redpoll
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To: Parmy

I remember seeing Kitty Werthmann on Glenn Beck’s show a few years ago.

Austria truly was the heart of Hitler’s strength.


7 posted on 03/23/2013 9:37:07 AM PDT by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: Parmy

What is described in your post is exactly what Obama wants to bring about, only his style is a little different.

This link below is a very good read about Obama’s Fascism, and how history will judge Obama as a fascist:

http://www.americanthinker.com/2009/05/barack_obama_the_quintessentia_1.html


8 posted on 03/23/2013 9:38:58 AM PDT by Candor7 (Obama fascism article:(http://www.americanthinker.com/2009/05/barack_obama_the_quintessentia_1.html))
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To: urtax$@work
the truth is that for all Hitler's unquestionably evil acts, his firearms laws likely made no difference in Jews' very tenuous odds of survival.

Based on what? This is a spin article full of BS.

9 posted on 03/23/2013 9:41:07 AM PDT by Texas Fossil
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To: urtax$@work
"Objectively, it might have made things worse" if the Jews who fought the Nazis in the 1943 Warsaw ghetto uprising in Poland had more and better guns, said historian Steve Paulsson, an expert on the period whose Jewish family survived the city's destruction.

Yeah, they would have made them Nazis really mad and would have committed genocide even more!

10 posted on 03/23/2013 9:42:01 AM PDT by Dogbert41
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To: Parmy

Draws some pretty eerie parallels to current happenings, doesn’t it? The way the situation here in the US is going downhill fast, I wonder when things are going to really ugly. Hope for the best, prepare for the worst, and never give up the ability to defend yourself.


11 posted on 03/23/2013 9:54:07 AM PDT by factoryrat (We are the producers, the creators. Grow it, mine it, build it.)
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To: Texas Fossil
" he barred Jews from owning weapons and moved to confiscate them."

That's all I needed to read about this sanitized feel-good "Hitlers gun laws weren't all that bad" propaganda crap. I guess they have drank from the kool-aid dispenser so much they can't think for themselves.

12 posted on 03/23/2013 9:54:29 AM PDT by BipolarBob (Happy Hunger Games! May the odds be ever in your favor.)
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To: urtax$@work
Rabbi Meir Kahane, zt"L used to have a slogan: "Every Jew a 22." He said this slogan at one place and an old Polish Jew approached him after the Rabbi's speech. The old polish Jew told him that when the Nazi soldiers were rounding up Jews, they had 40 soldiers with rifles controlling four hundred Jews. Of these 400 Jews, about 40 ran into the forest and five Nazi soldiers went after them. The elderly Polish Jew then told the Rabbi, "If we Jews had 22's -- any of us -- do you think that it would take only 40 people to round us up?" The elderly Polish Jew also opined, "if we Jews were armed, do you think those five soldiers who went into the forest to capture the some 40 Jews would have all come out alive?".

This is an anecdote as related by the deceased Rabbi, but I believed the Rabbi when he told it.

All this nonsense about guns in the hands of Jews not cutting down radically on the holocaust. The Polish Jew who was in it did not believe this Liberal pablum.

13 posted on 03/23/2013 9:55:50 AM PDT by Stepan12
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To: Parmy

Thanks for post. I had previously read about her. Forgotten details.

“She survived Hitler and wants to warn us”

http://humoresyamores.wordpress.com/2013/03/07/she-survived-hitler-and-wants-to-warn-us/

There is more there. she is sure bright for her age.


14 posted on 03/23/2013 9:57:13 AM PDT by Texas Fossil
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To: urtax$@work
In reality, scholars say, Hitler loosened the tight gun laws that governed Germany after World War I, even as he barred Jews from owning weapons and moved to confiscate them.

This is more "nuanced" bullstalin from the left, same as how they defended liberals who called Sarah Palin a "c*nt" while attacking Rush Limaugh for his "slut" comment about a woman who needed THOUSANDS of condoms every year. Too poor to pay for her own birf controls, she then vacationed in Europe with her boyfriend.

15 posted on 03/23/2013 9:57:22 AM PDT by a fool in paradise (America 2013 - STUCK ON STUPID)
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To: BipolarBob

Yep.

The truth is murdered under Leftist. They cannot survive it, so it is never allowed.


16 posted on 03/23/2013 9:59:49 AM PDT by Texas Fossil
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To: urtax$@work

There is no shortage of left-wing professors willing to give journalists their take on history.


17 posted on 03/23/2013 10:00:36 AM PDT by Junior_G (Funny how liberals' love affair with Muslims began on 9/11)
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To: Texas Fossil
I don't recall AssPress defending the Boosh administrations when Communists of all political affiliations were coming out of the woodwork to label him a "Fascist", a "terrorist", a "war criminal", and compared him to Hitler. Even Barack's own chosen propagandist put up Bush=Hitler stickers and Barry cheered this in his love letter to Shepherd Fairey.

P

18 posted on 03/23/2013 10:01:56 AM PDT by a fool in paradise (America 2013 - STUCK ON STUPID)
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To: Dogbert41
"Objectively, it might have made things worse" if the Jews who fought the Nazis in the 1943 Warsaw ghetto uprising in Poland had more and better guns, said historian Steve Paulsson, an expert on the period whose Jewish family survived the city's destruction.

This ludicrous statement mirrors the recent statements from my liberal friends who believe the Aurora shooting would have been worse if there were other armed citizens in the theater who attempted to stop it.

19 posted on 03/23/2013 10:04:19 AM PDT by Junior_G (Funny how liberals' love affair with Muslims began on 9/11)
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To: a fool in paradise

Yep.

AP = Always Propaganda


20 posted on 03/23/2013 10:05:28 AM PDT by Texas Fossil
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