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Read more at: http://www.nationalreview.com/article/351021/freedom-unfolding-revolution-jonah-goldberg
1 posted on 06/14/2013 6:21:32 AM PDT by National Review
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Why do all socialist countries fail?
Why doesn’t communism work?

Why hasn’t the Republic of the United States flourished? Which started out libertarian.. because we have socialist and communist trying to destroy it.


2 posted on 06/14/2013 6:36:44 AM PDT by maddog55 (America Rising.... Civil War II)
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‘Why are there no libertarian countries?” It has to do with the fallen nature of mankind... I'm reminded of a song by Daniel Amos called Incredible Shrinking Man... a line in the song is goe like this, "From wells of power you take a drink, You drown in it, It's bigger than you think..."

No man can humbly and graciously wield power. Power corrupts and absolute power corrupts absolutely... that's just the way it is. We were made to live in another kingdom, the kingdom of God. One day, not too far out now, Jesus will be back and will rule the world for a thousand years, and after that a whole new reality. That's where I'm headed. In this world you're either scrambling and grappling to get above someone else, or your patiently waiting and working, for King Jesus...

4 posted on 06/14/2013 7:17:17 AM PDT by dps.inspect (rage against the Obama machine...)
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America was basically a libertarian country until the government was given the ability to tax income. Since then it has simply engaged in global wars and vast growth of government.

The supreme court ruled three times taxing income was Un-constitutional, the last being 1899. Then they added the amendment allowing it.


5 posted on 06/14/2013 7:27:15 AM PDT by edcoil (If you can't change the rules, then ignore them.)
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The libertarian idea is the only truly new political idea in the last couple thousand years.

Mr. Goldberg clearly does not understand the Torah.

6 posted on 06/14/2013 7:37:41 AM PDT by Carry_Okie (An economy is not a zero-sum game, but politics usually is.)
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That phrase, “the wave of the future,” became famous thanks to a 1940 essay by Anne Morrow Lindbergh. She argued that the time of liberal democratic capitalism was drawing to a close and the smart money was on statism of one flavor or another — fascism, Communism, socialism, etc. What was lost on her, and millions of others, was that this wasn’t progress toward the new, but regression to the past. These “waves of the future” were simply gussied-up tribalisms, anachronisms made gaudy with the trappings of modernity, like a gibbon in a spacesuit.

Barbarity is the wave of the past. It always looks new and exciting to those who've never troubled themselves actually to look at the past.

9 posted on 06/14/2013 8:21:24 AM PDT by Standing Wolf
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Libertarianism requires a mature, adult electorate. One would not run a kindergarten classroom under libertarian principles - and today's America is a giant kindergarten classroom.

Probably the best compromise - unpalatable to all statists, of course - is for government to maintain a guiding principle of respecting and uplifting creators and disrespecting and cracking down on (by denying the vote to) destroyers.

One can imagine a society where cities are run by Rudy Giulianis and Lee Kwan Yews - somewhat authoritarian systems with zero tolerance for destructive behavior but which protect and respect those who live and create and build within their limits. Rural areas, which by definition require more self-reliance to live in successfully, would be governed in a more libertarian manner.

Libertarian-minded citizens would understand that they have to give up certain privileges to live in a densely populated city, but in turn they would be assured that they would not be preyed upon by a greedy government and that private citizens who attempted to destroy them would be dealt with harshly. Much is made by libertarian critics of limitations on on free speech in Giuliani's New York and Lee's Singapore - but those measures were aimed at Communists and criminals, and the economic results speak for themselves.

This world is probably not too dissimilar to the USA of fifty years ago, notwithstanding many local injustices and corruptions which somehow became the reason for liberty-destroying Federal statutes.

10 posted on 06/14/2013 8:42:43 AM PDT by Mr. Jeeves (CTRL-GALT-DELETE)
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I have not yet read the National Review article, but I have been talking to Libertarians on the WSJ comment boards and have some insights into the new, young Libertarian thinking. ( The Libertarians have their own blog site on the WSJ comment board)

These young, mostly college age Libertarians consider themselves to be philosophically closer to the Liberals than to the Conservatives, mostly because they are atheists, with an antipathy toward Christians and Christian beliefs. Their ideas are closer to the OWS than to the TeaParty. These new Libertarians claim a desire for individual freedom, but only for those who agree with them. It’s freedom for me, but not for thee. They claim a need for higher taxes, support Gay marriage, oppose corporate profits, which they see as excessive. They support amnesty, and some of them have even argued that crony capitalism can be a good thing. Mostly, these new Libertarians just hate Christians, but they have argued many times for higher taxes and lower interest on school loans.


14 posted on 06/14/2013 9:58:42 AM PDT by Eva
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The claim that Libertarians know best how to organize society is laughable, because it is an oxymoron, Libertarians supposedly oppose government organization.


17 posted on 06/14/2013 10:08:06 AM PDT by Eva
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Ok, so I read Goldberg’s article and have a couple of observations.

The new version of Libertarians are the same as the old, only in that they emphasize individual freedom, but only for fellow travelers. The new Libertarians see Christians as the Great Oppressors, not the Government.

The new Libertarians demand a freedom from religion, from Christianity, that is, not other religions. They feel that if they could free the country of Christianity, the country’s disparate groups could all join hands and sing Kumbayah. No war on drugs, no defense of marriage, abortion any time, and probably free. They see Christians as the main opposition group and think that if they could get rid of Christians, and their judgmental philosophy, the world would be a better place.


20 posted on 06/14/2013 10:24:21 AM PDT by Eva
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” how is it that not a single country in the world in the early twenty-first century is organized along libertarian lines?””

The US Constitution is. Without question it is about limited government. One socialist after another has been trying to take it over and control it ever since it was born.


21 posted on 06/14/2013 10:42:04 AM PDT by CodeToad (Liberals are bloodsucking ticks. We need to light the matchstick to burn them off. -786 +969)
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If this is an official NR account, welcome to FR and thank you for reaching out to FReepers.


25 posted on 06/14/2013 12:32:59 PM PDT by BuckeyeTexan (There are those that break and bend. I'm the other kind. ~Steve Earle)
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