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And that wouldn’t necessarily be good news, since warmer oceans would raise sea levels,...

That's patently false except for a minor thermal expansion. Put ice cubes in a glass of water. The author hasn't heard about Archimedes and the displacement of water?

The author forgot to code for his references:

1. http://www.newrepublic.com/article/113533/global-warming-hiatus-where-did-heat-go#footnote-1

2. http://www.newrepublic.com/article/113533/global-warming-hiatus-where-did-heat-go#footnote-2

3. http://www.newrepublic.com/article/113533/global-warming-hiatus-where-did-heat-go#footnote-3

1 posted on 06/21/2013 8:20:12 AM PDT by neverdem
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To: neverdem

The Sun comes up it gets warm ,the Sun goes down it cools


2 posted on 06/21/2013 8:23:06 AM PDT by molson209
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To: neverdem

But...but...but they assured me that we were all gonna die!


3 posted on 06/21/2013 8:24:25 AM PDT by rockrr (Everything is different now...)
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To: neverdem
Some people are playing the hiatus as good news . . .

What kind of sick, twisted people-hating freak would NOT see the absence of warming as good news. It's like they WANTED something bad to happen and are disappointed that it didn't.

4 posted on 06/21/2013 8:26:02 AM PDT by sportutegrl
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* prominent right-wing pols suggest it’s an enormous fraud *

...plus 31,000 scientists and the founder of the Weather Channel...

...oh yeah, don’t forget about Climategate One and Two exposing it as a fraud without a doubt.

It seems like this article is admitting that the AGW hoax is a bunch of baloney without wanting to.


5 posted on 06/21/2013 8:26:04 AM PDT by PATRIOT1876 (The only crimes that are 100% preventable are crimes committed by illegal aliens)
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To: neverdem
So, all the agonized running-around of scientists on "climate" grants wouldn't be necessary if they weren't desperately trying to salvage a "warming" hypothesis when there is no warming.

Wouldn't it be simpler to look at the data around us with an open mind, and make whatever hypothesis seemed to explain reality?

11 posted on 06/21/2013 8:45:28 AM PDT by SamuraiScot
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[[Explaining the Global Warming Hiatus: Grappling with climate-change nuance in a toxic political...]]

there are no freakin nuances- The earth wamrs, the earth cools- case closed-

Glaciers melt, glaciers form- case colsed

Tropics form, ice caps form case closed

CO2 occures 99.996% NATURALLY- case closed

Man’s insignificant 0.004% contribution to total amospheris CO2 levels isl ike a man pissing i nthe ocean once every 100 years- NOTHING is goign to happen- the ocean wiull be fine- case closed


12 posted on 06/21/2013 8:45:54 AM PDT by CottShop (Scientific belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge)
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To: neverdem

There are so many lies in the article that it is not worth explaining. Things are said actually in support of global warming but are simply lies, Warming has not slowed as the article states, we are actually cooling.

When people run out of food because of cold weather then maybe perhaps people will believe.

If you would like to know more I suggest:

http://www.landscheidt.info/?q=node/189


18 posted on 06/21/2013 9:13:10 AM PDT by JAKraig (Surely my religion is at least as good as yours)
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To: neverdem
That's patently false except for a minor thermal expansion. Put ice cubes in a glass of water. The author hasn't heard about Archimedes and the displacement of water?

Not that I agree with the global warmists, but their contention is that warming will melt the ice above ground and the seas (polar caps, glaciers, etc.), run into it and cause the sea level to rise. So displacement from floating ice is not part of it.

But even if all the ice on earth melted, how much of a percentage would the water volume of the sea go up? I bet in the hundredths of a percent.

19 posted on 06/21/2013 9:32:15 AM PDT by 5thGenTexan
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To: neverdem
and there are climate models showing “a hiatus as long as 15 years.

But we never bothered mentioning this before, never considered it in ranges of projections and certainly never constructed our models to deal with it.

If the atmosphere is warming more slowly than projected, where did the heat go?

Of course the theory says the greenhouse effect will absolutely, positively, no exceptions, no questions, NOT go anywhere but heat up our atmosphere.

or there might be less heat in the climate system than scientists predicted.Now you sound like a denier.

The most obvious culprit is the ocean,

But the theory says there were no variables that would effect the outcome. Not the sun variations, not the oceans, not the vegetation. Now we hear that the sneaky ocean is culprit in spoiling all the climate folks fun.

But other scientists think that the heat is missing because it never made into Earth's climate system.

Wait..a...minute. Who are these other scientists in a science that is fully settled?

The sun itself is a major factor in forcing

Ouch, I got whiplash. The sun? That's impossible.

26 posted on 06/21/2013 10:12:57 AM PDT by Raycpa
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"In the current political climate, debates about things like climate change are carried out in broad-brush assertions. The challenge for scientists is that the more they understand the climate system, the more complex it gets, and the harder it gets to model with precision—not to mention making the kinds of sweeping statements the news cycle requires."

This is rich! How many times have we been told: "the debate is over"? The alarmists have made innumerable "sweeping statements", and professed to know, with certainty, how the climate would change (it's always changing, that's never been disputed). Now, they want "nuances"!

BTW, now (after 15 years of zero change), we're told that the models weren't designed to account for fluctuations, and the averages are what's important. Yet, every time in the past couple of decades, when a new peak temperature was recorded, we were told to panic.

If these "climate scientists" had acted like scientists, rather than side-show barkers, over the past decades, they might have earned our confidence. Real scientists never say: "the science is settled", or "the debate is over". Never.
27 posted on 06/21/2013 10:21:57 AM PDT by USFRIENDINVICTORIA
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“The greenhouse effect is truly undeniable—just consider Venus, where 96.5 percent of the atmosphere is composed of carbon dioxide, and the average surface temperature is more than 860 degrees Fahrenheit.”

Gee, could the fact that Venus is about 40% closer to the Sun have anything at all to do with that temperature?


28 posted on 06/21/2013 10:28:29 AM PDT by USFRIENDINVICTORIA
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To: neverdem

The bible is relevant

2 Peter 2

False Prophets and Their Punishment

2 But false prophets also arose among the people, just as there will be false teachers among you, who will secretly bring in destructive opinions. They will even deny the Master who bought them—bringing swift destruction on themselves. 2 Even so, many will follow their licentious ways, and because of these teachers[a] the way of truth will be maligned. 3 And in their greed they will exploit you with deceptive words. Their condemnation, pronounced against them long ago, has not been idle, and their destruction is not asleep.

Deuteronomy 18:22

New International Version (NIV)

22 If what a prophet proclaims in the name of the Lord does not take place or come true, that is a message the Lord has not spoken. That prophet has spoken presumptuously, so do not be alarmed.


30 posted on 06/21/2013 10:51:13 AM PDT by Raycpa
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Using a model that projects ocean temperatures back to 1961, its trio of authors found that the surge in deep ocean heat intake over the last decade was indeed historic.

You just can't make this stuff up, but they sure can!

31 posted on 06/21/2013 11:19:22 AM PDT by Carry_Okie (Islam offers choices: Convert, submit, or die.)
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To: neverdem

From Seattle.....

First day of summer.

12 Noon.

Just flipped the heat on to take the chill off the apartment.

60 degrees outside.

By the way.....

I love how “Alarmists” claim we “cherry picked” the data.

No matter what year you start from, there’s been a plateau in warming for the LAST 15 freaking years!

I don’t recall anyone predicting that would happen in 1998.


32 posted on 06/21/2013 12:17:00 PM PDT by zeestephen
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