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Day 13 (Week #3) Zimmerman Trial – Witness Discussion Thread…
The Conservative Treehouse ^ | June 26, 2013 | Sundance

Posted on 06/26/2013 5:34:24 AM PDT by Uncle Chip

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To: XenaLee

Defense will bring that up when it’s their turn to call witnesses.


301 posted on 06/26/2013 11:04:32 AM PDT by The KG9 Kid (Demand Common Sense Nut Control.)
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To: SeaHawkFan

“Every time there is a bench conference, the defense sends up one attorney and prosecution sends 2-3. Not a good image for the prosecution.”

Yes...they look rather nervous when they do that.


302 posted on 06/26/2013 11:05:19 AM PDT by toldyou (Even if the voices aren't real, they have some pretty good ideas.)
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Now Ramona Rumph and the ancient historical 911 calls coming into evidence.


303 posted on 06/26/2013 11:05:19 AM PDT by Uncle Chip
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To: XenaLee

I thought the same thing. State scored on that last question, but I don’t think the witness had time to fully understand what she said. I also think the defense should of asked her if she took her eyes off the two struggling for even a second....after the shot was fired.


304 posted on 06/26/2013 11:09:57 AM PDT by Fawn (In a World of Information, Ignorance is a Choice.)
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To: Fawn
Was there an exit wound in treyvon?

According to the Officer on scene who tried to revive Trayvon, there was no exit wound. The Medical Examiner found the bullet in Trayvon's chest.

305 posted on 06/26/2013 11:14:01 AM PDT by UCANSEE2
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To: XenaLee
What is frustrating is that O’Mara never got the last witness to clarify who she thought was on top AFTER the gunshot. Z has already said that he ended up on top after he fired his gun. Epic fail on the defense side.

Ordinarily it should suffice to leave it ambiguous, since ambiguity favors the defense (reasonable doubt). I imagine that it is tempting to the defense to go further and disambiguate, but one can not predict exactly what will happen in response to questions by potentially hostile witnesses, and the witness could spontaneously offer up more detail damaging to the defendant in his or her answer, and the defense would minimize that by minimizing the amount of questioning to only that which is strictly necessary to ensure reasonable doubt. JMHO/IANAL

306 posted on 06/26/2013 11:14:33 AM PDT by SteveH (First they ignore you. Then they laugh at you. Then they fight you. Then you win.)
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To: Fawn

I think O’mara convinced the jury she’s mixed up and unreliable so I’m guessing they discounted that final answer.


307 posted on 06/26/2013 11:14:42 AM PDT by Ronald_Magnus
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To: All

How many phone calls are we going to listen too.


308 posted on 06/26/2013 11:15:21 AM PDT by Fawn (In a World of Information, Ignorance is a Choice.)
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To: Fawn

So, if I remember, the judge ruled that only the phone calls where he mentions the suspicious ppl were black ...are going to be allowed?


309 posted on 06/26/2013 11:16:41 AM PDT by Fawn (In a World of Information, Ignorance is a Choice.)
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To: Fawn

“Was there an exit wound in treyvon? If he was shot lying down, wouldn’t the bullet be in the ground?”

No exit wound; the bullet was found in the heart according to the autopsy.

http://i2.cdn.turner.com/cnn/2012/images/05/17/trayvon.martin.autopsy.pdf


310 posted on 06/26/2013 11:18:09 AM PDT by SteveH (First they ignore you. Then they laugh at you. Then they fight you. Then you win.)
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To: Uncle Chip

Here are some burglary reports in that neighborhood...they had a rash of them!

This info (below) was available online from the Sanford Police Department. I saw it shortly after the shooting, but once the story became sensational in the media, it disappeared; here’s a copy.

Note the blackened out names, etc. Those, in all probability, are minors. Note how many perps are black. That’s why he’s reporting, on those 911 calls, that the ones he’s watching are black because they’re the ones who committed the crimes....if caught.
http://justoneminute.typepad.com/files/twinlakesburglaryreports.pdf


311 posted on 06/26/2013 11:18:45 AM PDT by toldyou (Even if the voices aren't real, they have some pretty good ideas.)
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To: UCANSEE2

OK I just returned to the trial, now the prosecutor is presenting Zimmerman’s past calls to the police as a neighborhood watch, in which he is sounding like an angel, the police are polite and respond to all his calls, and he sounds like a concerned responsible citizen.

And this is to show, I guess that dastardly Zimmerman, as part of his neighborhood watch, actually called the police politely to report suspicious persons?!

Very strange. Is this worth doing? I guess also a lot of the suspects are black, which Zimmerman reports when asked in each case.

But in each case Z has a good reason for the calls. On this one, the guy is going back and forth to a house at which Zimmerman knows the resident and it ain’t this suspicious guy who Z has seen loitering in the neighborhood on prior occasions..


312 posted on 06/26/2013 11:19:48 AM PDT by Williams (No Obama)
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To: SteveH

Thanks.....


313 posted on 06/26/2013 11:20:31 AM PDT by Fawn (In a World of Information, Ignorance is a Choice.)
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Boy, these phone calls make GZ seem like a cold hearted murderer.


314 posted on 06/26/2013 11:21:46 AM PDT by quaker_gun
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To: Fawn

So it’s a bad idea to consider it suspicious to see unknown young black men walking around a place they don’t live late at night?

Reminds me of on an episode of Family Guy, this shop owner says “Wow! I can’t believe it! I’ve gone all day without getting robbed today......OH, Welcome to me store...How could I help you young African American men?”


315 posted on 06/26/2013 11:22:27 AM PDT by MNDude (Sorry for typos. Probably written on a smartphone, and I have big clumsy fingers.)
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To: Ronald_Magnus

Let me comment on this business now, of showing that “nothing much” comes of the police calls.

I often have to call the police about folks present on some private property we manage. These people are trespassers and often refuse to leave until police arrive. The police usually talk to them and explain they must leave. The police encourage us to make these calls. However the police prefer to make contact and ask the folks to leave, they really don’t want to charge these trespassers.

There is nothing wrong with this, the police tell you to keep calling, they will increase their patrols, etc. but it would still look like “nothing” happened just based on the records.


316 posted on 06/26/2013 11:24:02 AM PDT by Williams (No Obama)
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To: Uncle Chip

Fwiw, pop,pop,pop = 2 echoes, if recorded could be used to determine location of phone and/or event


317 posted on 06/26/2013 11:24:29 AM PDT by Raycpa
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The state is entering these calls into evidence so as to show that in all previous calls he always followed protocol but the one on February 26th 2012 transpired differently because George was different that night.

Hey Bernie, the difference that night was Trayvon not George. On the previous calls, the suspect didn’t assault the caller.


318 posted on 06/26/2013 11:25:25 AM PDT by Uncle Chip
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To: Ronald_Magnus

If I were the defense I would have presented this evidence of Z’s prior calls as part of the defense.


319 posted on 06/26/2013 11:26:00 AM PDT by Williams (No Obama)
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To: Uncle Chip

RACHEL IS UP NEXT.


320 posted on 06/26/2013 11:28:18 AM PDT by UCANSEE2
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