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Day 15 (Week #3) Zimmerman Trial – Witness Discussion Thread
The Conservative Treehouse ^ | June 28, 2013 | Sundance

Posted on 06/28/2013 5:14:39 AM PDT by Uncle Chip

Today, June 28th, is DAY #15 (of 3rd week) State of Florida V. George Zimmerman case. [Yesterday] … it was simply not a very good day at all for the prosecution. The primary State witnesses today were Rachel Jeantel, Jenna Lauer, and Selma Mora.

The first had her credibility substantively destroyed, the second was powerfully–almost humiliatingly–co-opted by the defense, and the third provided testimony entirely consistent with the defense’s theory of lawful self-defense. (continue reading)

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TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Government; News/Current Events; US: Florida
KEYWORDS: florida; floridojudicirats; georgezimmerman; kangaroo; kangaroocourt; trayvonmartin; zimmerman
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To: VeniVidiVici

I suspect that before the state rests its case we will see Zimmerman’s kindergarten teacher on the stand.


1,341 posted on 06/28/2013 8:12:53 PM PDT by Uncle Chip
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To: IrishPennant

not having one ready to go would be foolish....imagine pulling out your gun when you need it and asking for time out to load...liberalism is truly a mental disorder


1,342 posted on 06/28/2013 8:13:29 PM PDT by rolling_stone
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To: Uncle Chip
I suspect that before the state rests its case we will see Zimmerman’s kindergarten teacher on the stand.

LOL! I think you're right. I can't believe how many of these "State" witnesses are testifying for the Defense.

1,343 posted on 06/28/2013 8:34:50 PM PDT by VeniVidiVici (Obama's Enemies List - Yes, you are a crook.)
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To: VeniVidiVici
11pm news on WESH-2 TV analyst just said that the State would try to prove that the fact that Zimmerman had one in the Kel-Tec chamber as either “gross negligence” or “intent”.

Soooooooooooo - all police officers are either “grossly negligence” or “intent” on murdering anyone they come into contact with.

Good to know.

1,344 posted on 06/28/2013 8:35:28 PM PDT by kiryandil (turning Americans into felons, one obnoxious drunk at a time (Zero Tolerance!!!))
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To: rolling_stone

Kinda like getting in the car in the driveway, ready for a nice vacation drive and being okay with an empty gas tank.


1,345 posted on 06/28/2013 8:41:21 PM PDT by IrishPennant (Excuse me...Here's your nose. I found it in my business....agian!)
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To: P-Marlowe

The legal commentator on the local FL CBS channel said this afternoon that after all the evidence has been presented and one party or the other doesn’t think the case has been made, they can put in a lesser charge for the jury to consider.

Personally, when he was talking about that it made my blood run cold because a lesser charge, i.e., manslaughter, could give GZ many years in jail and might seem a ‘split the difference’ verdict to the jurors who would be inclined to acquit if the only option is Murder2.


1,346 posted on 06/28/2013 8:53:03 PM PDT by EDINVA
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To: AllAmericanGirl44

Joe Manolo testimony doesn’t match Zimmerman’s walkthrough video


1,347 posted on 06/28/2013 9:00:15 PM PDT by Java4Jay (The evils of government are directly proportional to the tolerance of the people.)
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To: EDINVA

It sounds like next week the state will be presenting their case for manslaughter


1,348 posted on 06/28/2013 9:12:15 PM PDT by Uncle Chip
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To: Uncle Chip

For awhile the Chump and company thought DD was T s sixteen year old girl friend. They no doubt had even read some of the hot e text messages

Would love to observe their faces when they first saw her


1,349 posted on 06/28/2013 9:20:30 PM PDT by hoosiermama (Obama: "Born in Kenya" Lying now or then!)
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To: VeniVidiVici

I had to turn FOX off...some idiot said that GZ definitely stalked and killed TM because he was black teenager.

That’s why I have not watched cable news for years...just thought I’d try it tonight. Won’t do it anymore. My B/P is high enough!


1,350 posted on 06/28/2013 9:28:50 PM PDT by toldyou (Even if the voices aren't real, they have some pretty good ideas.)
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This might be a stupid question but I heard an interesting statement by one of the talking heads this week. They stated that under Florida law it does not matter who started the fight. If you start a fight and the other party escalates it to the point of threatening your life you can use deadly force. Is this true?
1,351 posted on 06/28/2013 9:48:03 PM PDT by tatertotsrgood
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To: toldyou

I had to turn FOX off...some idiot said that GZ definitely stalked and killed TM because he was black teenager.<<

A better theory is:

GZ saw TM doing suspicious activity, walking next to houses rather than on sidewalk because of the rain. GZ called this in to Police and they were en route. He continued to watch the suspicious activity by following TM at some kind of distance, but not much. Rachel was on phone and TM was giving locations. She was also giving stupid commentary. TM made it home and GZ lost him and went back to his truck. For some reason, TM went to confront GZ a fight ensued and GZ shot TM. TM died on the scene.

Why would TM go back to confront GZ if he was home free? And I believe Rachel even if her presentation was awful. She told enough of the truth to see the scene. I don’t think ten years of coaching would have given her enough practice to lie effectively, not ignorance though...ego. Rachel told TM that she though that guy following TM was a sexual predator. The implication would be that he wanted TM for that purpose. That could make a young man with a violence problem go back and try to beat on the “sexual predator”.

This also does not sell well in the media as you would have a hate crime...the beating of GZ because of perceived sexual orientation, vs. the death of a black youth to gun violence by someone not favored by media status.

This theory fits the facts of all the witnesses I’m aware of, and answers the stupid questions. It is also consistent with young behavior.

I cannot get inside TM’s head, so this will only be a theory and I think it fits the facts better and with more explanation of all the parties behaviors better than the ones I’ve heard.

What do you think?

DK


1,352 posted on 06/28/2013 10:00:15 PM PDT by Dark Knight
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To: Dark Knight

I wonder... after TM made it back to dad’s house it was DD who egged TM to go back and kick that crazy ass cracker’s ass. Those were her words not his. That is why DD couldn’t face his mom and cried on the stand.


1,353 posted on 06/28/2013 10:22:44 PM PDT by Java4Jay (The evils of government are directly proportional to the tolerance of the people.)
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To: Java4Jay

and the ‘get off - get off’ was TM telling DD to hang up the phone.


1,354 posted on 06/28/2013 10:24:45 PM PDT by Java4Jay (The evils of government are directly proportional to the tolerance of the people.)
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To: Java4Jay

Just kicking a crazy...cracker might not be enough, but if he thought the guy was interested in him for sex...that would explain so much. And Rachel would feel extremely responsible because she may believe it was her that egged TM back to GZ.

I think it was a hate crime. TM on GZ. I don’t like hate crimes but perceived sexual orientation is usually one of them.

Thanks for the feedback.

DK


1,355 posted on 06/28/2013 10:30:54 PM PDT by Dark Knight
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To: Dark Knight

It’s ALL sad man


1,356 posted on 06/28/2013 10:39:57 PM PDT by Java4Jay (The evils of government are directly proportional to the tolerance of the people.)
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To: Mercat

That was Barbara Billingsley (sp?), Beaver and Wally’s mom on the TV series Leave It To Beaver.


1,357 posted on 06/28/2013 10:49:56 PM PDT by Bob
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To: Dark Knight

Very good theory, DK! It could very well have happened that way!


1,358 posted on 06/28/2013 11:18:45 PM PDT by toldyou (Even if the voices aren't real, they have some pretty good ideas.)
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To: Dark Knight

I cannot get inside TM’s head, so this will only be a theory and I think it fits the facts better and with more explanation of all the parties behaviors better than the ones I’ve heard.

What do you think?


Sounds plausible to me. Too much machismo at a young age causes many to do stupid things. In this case its not out of line to think that TM payed the ultimate price for just that.


1,359 posted on 06/29/2013 4:05:15 AM PDT by patriotspride
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To: kiryandil

According to a talking head on MSNBC today she’s a genius, speaking 3 languages by age 5 - no one knows what those languages ARE!, but she is evidently fluent.


Jive, Hip Hop, and Ebonics..... :):)

All delivered in a mumbling manner to demonstrate her mastery...


1,360 posted on 06/29/2013 4:09:46 AM PDT by patriotspride
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