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California prison doctors sterilized women to cut welfare costs
Washington Examiner ^ | July 7, 2013 | JOEL GEHRKE

Posted on 07/08/2013 4:50:39 PM PDT by grundle

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To: grundle

And when the government can no longer afford to prop everyone up, guess what the government is going to do?


21 posted on 07/08/2013 5:39:59 PM PDT by chris37 (Heartless.)
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To: television is just wrong

You’re not going to find anyone who has been a bigger champion than I on the subject of illegal immigration. I’ve been harping on it for twenty years. I thought Reagan was doing the wrong thing. Because there were so few people involved, I let it slide. It was wrong to do so on principle alone. Then we found out how many really came in, 3.5 million, not 1.0 million.

Still, laws were stiffened, and had they been implemented, we wouldn’t have a problem. They weren’t. We have a massive problem.

That being said, you can’t surgically alter people based on the perception they have broken laws.

Give them a monetary penalty, even include incarceration for an appropriate period. You cannot make surgical alterations to them.

What crime in the U. S. merits that? What law around the world does? Well, no crimes do. Society doesn’t do that, and I’m glad it doesn’t.

I don’t hate Hispanics. I don’t like what is going on. It should be remedied and stopped.

I would never agree to a surgical alteration that would change a human forever, for this sort of thing. It would be barbaric. I will defend illegals stridently against this sort of thing.


22 posted on 07/08/2013 5:46:14 PM PDT by DoughtyOne (Breaking News: Hillary not running in 2016. Brain tumor found during recent colonoscopy...)
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To: DoughtyOne

Before Jesse Jackson was bought & paid for he referred to abortion as “genocide”; he was so right.

I was criticized by a friend for maintaining that people breeding for welfare $$$ don’t love their children; there is no way someone would subject a child they love to the miserable existence of welfare housing surrounded by like-minded parasites (often losing some in the process to early deahts). I don’t care what color they are, it is abuse and there is no love involved.


23 posted on 07/08/2013 5:56:52 PM PDT by kearnyirish2 (Affirmative action is economic war against white males (and therefore white families).)
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To: grundle

Sounds like the city pound.


24 posted on 07/08/2013 5:59:41 PM PDT by Irenic (The pencil sharpener and Elmer's glue is put away-- we've lost the red wheel barrow)
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To: kearnyirish2

We see eye to eye on that. I’m glad.


25 posted on 07/08/2013 6:00:32 PM PDT by DoughtyOne (Breaking News: Hillary not running in 2016. Brain tumor found during recent colonoscopy...)
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Yes, it's an off topic article, but I can't help but be reminded of the trends of the last century, from Margaret Sanger and Ernst Ruden, a contributor to her writings and some say the originator of the term "freedom of choice", though I doubt that. The Erbgesundheitsgericht, Genetic courts (Karl Astel who ran them in the mid 30s was a big anti tobacco guy). But what do I know, I'm not a Margaret Sanger, or an Ernst Ruden (Whoever is not physically or mentally fit must not pass on his defects to his children. The state must take care that only the fit produce children). What do I know about fit, I don't think Ruden or Sanger were fit, though I'd certainly not expect the state to interfere with their bodies, as California does.

Anyway, off topic, but I came across an interesting citation checking some of the names I mentioned, which I'd forgotten.

The actual translations are subject to correction, but I've seen Martin Niemoller frequently cited on FR, dozens and dozens of times

First they came for the Communists
and I did not speak out-
because I was not a Communist.
Then they came for the Jews
and I did not speak out-
because I was not a Jew.
Then they came for the trade unionists
and I did not speak out-
because I was not a trade unionist.
then they came for me
and there was no one left
to speak for me.



A well known quotation.

Less well know, the poem from Dietrich Bonhoeffer it was based on

They came from the Jews,
and I did not object, as I am not a Jew.
They came for the Catholics,
and I did not object,
as I was not a Catholic.
Finally, they came for me,
and there was no one left to object."



Wasn't stolen, they were colleagues. Why do we know one and not the other, perhaps because one survived the camps, the other didn't.

Anyway, sorry for the long post, but I though it was worth remembering Bonhoeffer, and another of his writings is on topic.

Destruction of the embryo in the mother's womb is a violation of the right to live which God has bestowed upon this nascent life. To raise the question whether we are here concerned already with a human being or not is merely to confuse the issue. The simple fact is that God certainly intended to create a human being and that this nascent being has been deliberately deprived of his life. And that is nothing but murder

Shame on California.

26 posted on 07/08/2013 6:32:23 PM PDT by SJackson (The Pilgrims—Doing the jobs Native Americans wouldn’t do !)
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Female inmates sterilized in California prisons without approval
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/3040200/posts


27 posted on 07/08/2013 7:26:07 PM PDT by Slings and Arrows (You can't have IngSoc without an Emmanuel Goldstein.)
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To: DBrow

Eugenics, Margaret Sanger, Planned Parenthood ... not Nazi’s but American Progressives, maybe


28 posted on 07/08/2013 7:31:20 PM PDT by vortec94
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To: DoughtyOne

It’s essentially Sunni vs. Shiite.

It’s a wrongheaded policy but they did vote for what they have in california just now.


29 posted on 07/08/2013 7:34:20 PM PDT by Black Agnes
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To: Black Agnes

Yes they did.

The guy should still go to prison himself. Maybe another Lefty can slice and dice him before he gets caught.


30 posted on 07/08/2013 7:37:10 PM PDT by DoughtyOne (Breaking News: Hillary not running in 2016. Brain tumor found during recent colonoscopy...)
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To: vortec94

” not Nazi’s but American Progressives, maybe”

A thin distinction. The National Socialists were very interested in eugenics, as was Sanger et al.

Sanger wanted to put all the stupid people in camps, read “a plan for peace” by Sanger. The National Socialists DID put people in camps. To improve things.


31 posted on 07/08/2013 8:06:40 PM PDT by DBrow
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To: DoughtyOne

“We see eye to eye on that. I’m glad.”

Same here; thanks.


32 posted on 07/09/2013 4:05:36 AM PDT by kearnyirish2 (Affirmative action is economic war against white males (and therefore white families).)
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To: SJackson

Gotta ping this one out tomorrow.


33 posted on 07/09/2013 9:08:16 PM PDT by little jeremiah (Courage is not simply one of the virtues, but the form of every virtue at the testing point. CSLewis)
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