Skip to comments.CNN’s Don Lemon Backs Up Bill O’Reilly: ‘He Doesn’t Go Far Enough’ In Criticizing Black Culture
Posted on 07/28/2013 5:40:13 AM PDT by NotYourAverageDhimmi
Bill OReillys remarks on race last week drew heavy criticism from Chris Hayes, Bill Maher, Al Sharpton, Larry Wilmore, and more, but one unlikely person is agreeing with him: CNN host Don Lemon.
Lemon addressed the wounds inflicted by black males onto their community on his No Talking Points segment Saturday afternoon, saying he was able to bring this up now that the George Zimmerman trial had concluded. Before the verdict, right wing media had consistently asked why the liberal media was fixating on Trayvon Martin while ignoring rampant black-on-black violence, a deflection, in Lemons words, from the injustices of the Martin shooting. But now that Zimmerman had been acquitted, it was time for some tough love on the subject.
Lemon played a clip of OReilly stating, The reason there is so much violence and chaos in the black precincts is the disintegration of the African American family Raised without much structure, young black men often reject education and gravitate towards the street culture, drugs, hustling, gangs. Nobody forces them to do that. Again, it is a personal decision.
Bills got a point, Lemon said. In fact, hes got more than a point In my estimation, he doesnt go far enough.
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Lemon then listed five essential reforms black men need to make in their lives in order to improve themselves and their communities: hike up their pants, remove the n-word from their vocabulary, take care of their communities, finish high school, and lower the rate of children born out of wedlock.
More than 72% of children in the African Americans are born out of wedlock, Lemon said. Studies show that lack of a male role model is an express train right to prison, and the cycle continues.....
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I think the movie “To Sir With Love” needs a revival
Thank you, Mr. Lemon......MORE BLACKS need to speak up, THEN THEY NEED TO HELP THEIR “Communities”.
We could use some more “Death Wish” type movies too.
Reading the comments over there is very discouraging.
It seems a lot of people are deep in denial. Which sort of explains some things, but it don’t inspire hope.
The only time they “speak up” is when they need to blame whitey for all of their woes.
And Booker T. Washington, Thomas Sowell, Walter E. Williams and Larry Elder, and others should be among the role models kids are taught to emulate.
There has been 50 years of doing it one way and it's been a colossal failure, try something else before you destroy yourselves. If we could help, we would, but you won't let us.
To bad Don chose a life style that doesn’t lean towards procreation
That is truly shocking.
This is temporary. Lemon is a left wing nut job.
While this is a sad state of affairs within the black community, why aren’t black women closing their legs? Birth control is readily available as well.
Aren’t they capable of just saying NO?
Remember the all-black school in VA that disinvited Justice Clarence Thomas from being their commencement speaker because the black staff decided he wasn’t a good role model??? They probably had some low-life rapper instead.
Clarence Thomas’s family was abandoned by his father, his mother was dysfunctional and a drug user, and he was brought up by his grandparents. They were poor but worked hard running a tiny heating-oil delivery business in Savannah (where Clarence Thomas would get up before dawn to help his grandfather deliver oil before school), and he attended a Catholic school where the sisters told him he had to study hard and apply himself. The result? A Supreme Court Justice. And that’s not a role model?
But no black conservative will ever be accepted by the 100% Dem black establishment as being black, let alone a role model. Until black “leaders” distance themselves from the Dems and the plantation-mentality of the left, they will never be able to be of any help to the rest of their misnamed “community.”
Don’t worry most of the liberal news blogs scrub a lot of comments that don’t support a left wing POV.
Uncle Same pays them cold hard cash to just say YES.
The one thing that blacks can’t blame on whitey is their killing each other in record numbers.
Lemon addressed the wounds inflicted by black males onto their community on his "No Talking Points" segment Saturday afternoon, saying he was able to bring this up now that the George Zimmerman trial had concluded... But now... it was time "for some tough love on the subject." ...then listed five essential reforms black men need to make in their lives... hike up their pants, remove the n-word from their vocabulary, take care of their communities, finish high school, and lower the rate of children born out of wedlock... "Studies show that lack of a male role model is an express train right to prison, and the cycle continues."
Oh, and incidentally, if black people still insist on blaming white people, they should start with white liberals. They are some of the chief culprits in the destruction of black society.
Paging LBJ, Paging LBJ, will LBJ Please pick up the Obamaphone, You created a Major Spill in Isle 4 about 50 years ago, will you please cleanup the mess you created...
He might be a liberal nut job, but for decades nut jobs like him refused to admit any white conservative could be right about anything concerning black lives. For someone like Lemon to admit a white conservative is right about the cause of black societal problems is nothing less than remarkable. I would have guessed, given his past record, he would have excoriated O'Reilly for being a typical white racist and told him to shut up. So I'll give Lemon a little credit for having the guts to buck the race-hustlers.
When/if those people in denial wake up, there's going to be a war.
You know, the naive politicians and judges who worked from 1808-1861 to prevent the war were CORRECT about how bad it would be, more correct than the abolitionists and fire-eaters who craved it.
This next one is going to be bad, too - maybe worse. The people in denial just don't know what to do, and neither do I. I envy them their denial.
No, it’s not that. It’s just so many people were writing stuff along the lines of (really paraphrasing here you understand): there really isn’t a problem of illegitimacy in the black community because a few loose women throw off the stats; if you think there’s a problem in the black community you’re clearly not black and you lack understanding; the author of the original piece is gay (don’t know if that’s true or if they’re just slurring him); any problems with gun violence in the black community are more than outweighed by those of crazy white people who shoot up crowds of people/school children.
And so on.
Now I always thought that people in the black community were just unable to improve things, that they were overwhelmed and that the pot-stirring by Sharpton, Jackson, Obama, Holder and the overwhelmingly white MSM were done to distract them from what they well know are the real problems.
After reading those comments I’m not so sure.
Of course I have no idea if the commenters are black or white, perhaps it could be discerned about some but I didn’t delve that far into it.
Maybe people in the black community really DO think everything is fine, that George Zimmerman and other “whites” are their main problem; and that anything else could be solved by more government involvement in their lives, except of course by any member of the criminal justice arm of the gov’t.
If so I feel very sorry for them; because they don’t have a freaking clue.
“This is temporary. Lemon is a left wing nut job.”
Yup. He’s also a butt pirate. He’s full of himself and full of shiite!
Look, conservatives made people on the left talk about black issues in a new and realistic way - that's a victory in itself. Even if Lemon reverts to a typical democrat brainless shill - he's gotten our message out.
He is right, but has things backwards. The *single*, proximate cause of the vast majority of problems that the black community suffers from is “Sex outside of Marriage.”
Now let me parse that in an unexpected way.
When I say “the black community”, I mean *exclusively* those American blacks descended from slaves. *Not* African immigrants, who are inappropriately lumped together with the s-d blacks.
Why? Because African immigrants DO NOT have this cultural baggage. They strongly believe in monogamous marriage and the family. And they shun s-d blacks because they can *objectively* see their horrific self destruction and cultural cancer.
So literally “race is not an issue, here”, AT ALL.
The issue is “Sex outside of Marriage”. This causes the ridiculously high illegitimacy rate of 72%. And that, in turn, creates children who are 60% more likely to criminally offend.
Children with single parents are raised in a survival mode, not a success mode. So the city is like a jungle, and the other people would either make you prey, or are your prey.
Because it is hard to go it alone, such young people group together in packs, like hyenas, and become territorial.
Their lives are driven by impulse, not thought or planning, and certainly without any long term goals. And so they live by the sword and die by the sword.
In the grand scheme of things it is not really their fault, but the fault of their parents, who could not contain their lusts and were encouraged not to do so with the idea that it harms no one and gives great pleasure.
Guess what? It did and does cause great harm. It ruins lives, and multiplies misery and suffering over generations.
If Martin Luther King lived today, the single most important thing he could do would be to persuade black Americans to shun sex outside of marriage as if their lives depended on it.
And their disaster should be fair warning for the rest of us.
29% of white children, and 53% of Latinos are born to unmarried women. It is almost to the point where public aid for unmarried parents should be forbidden as encouraging child abuse.
Just think how much higher the crime rate would be if they weren’t giving away Obamaphones —
That was a Black teacher teaching White underclass kids. Maybe update it with Black underclass kids.
This may be the first time I’ve agreed with Mr. Lemon. He should have a panel of Bill Cosby, Charles Barkley and Shelby Steele on his show, talking about this issue the abuse they’ve taken from the race industry.
yes was the story of a Black teacher with kids from a depraved culture of broken families
just like the black culture and the white cultures of today
“If Martin Luther King lived today, the single most important thing he could do would be to persuade black Americans to shun sex outside of marriage as if their lives depended on it.”
I often wondered what would have happened if King had started a revival instead of a rights movement.
If someone from the Repubican party had the cajones, they should come forward and start explaining who Margeret Sanger was and why she talked about putting the abortion clinics in black areas.
Occasional lapses of honesty do not vindicate CNN’s campaign of propaganda. Wolf Blitzer and the fat broad need to be canned, for starters.
But there is blame being attributed to whites for high black-on-black crime - Some people are trying to claim that anger over white racism causes blacks to lash out at other blacks. (No, I can’t make sense of it.)
Thanks for reminding us older Freepers, and teaching the younger ones who haven’t be taught.
It was LBJ.
He was faced with a choice, continue the space program and build space stations, explore the moon, travel to Mars etc., OR destroy the Black family.
He couldn’t do both, family ties are as strong as atomic force fields, and it would take trillions to break those ties.
For an evil man it was a no brainer.
Everything has its time.
For example, before about the 1940s, black preachers in the South made a name for themselves by creating sermons that described a dark and hot Hell that awaited sinners. It was said that some were so gifted in this that congregations “could feel the flames licking the underside of the floor boards, and smell the brimstone through the cracks.” Heavenly descriptions, added almost after the fact, just served as a peaceful contrast of rest and happiness.
Importantly, this reached their congregations and gave them what they wanted, and caused many to mend their ways and resist temptation.
However, by the time of MLK, this way of thinking had pretty much collapsed. With the return of the soldiers from WWII, segregation in most of the US quickly and quietly collapsed.
At the time, many small towns across the Bible belt were ruled by cliques of various Protestant sects that pressured others to maintain the social order, which included segregation and social behavior. The veterans rejected this outright, as well, and refused to cooperate with a dictatorship of gossips.
A lot of social pressure suddenly got released in a hurry, and MLK was a the forefront of one part of it. He had evolved into a religious skeptic and rejected parts of the Bible in their entirety; but he saw within it the justification for social reform.
“King was originally skeptical of many of Christianity’s claims. At the age of thirteen, he denied the bodily resurrection of Jesus during Sunday school. From this point, he stated, “doubts began to spring forth unrelentingly”. However, he later concluded that the Bible has “many profound truths which one cannot escape” and decided to enter the seminary.”
The bottom line is that he could not have led a religious revival, because there was too much of his faith he did not believe. As soon as he got his PhD, with a plagiarized dissertation, he immediately started rabble rousing, something he was far better at.
margaret sanger...you betcha! Even the Smithsonian honors her among women. Boycotted and explained.
Ahhh, that makes perfect sense.
Really? Seems like it's always a pack of black guys attacking a non-black person, usually a white person. My dog can crack this pattern.
How dumb are the Trayvonistas? As long as the don’t yell “This is for Trayvon!”, the police could pawn off this hate crime as “a robbery gone wrong” or “just bored teens” like they do for the multitude of other times that black guys mob attack white people. It makes it kind of difficult for police to play ‘hide the hate crime’ when the criminals yell their purpose.
How many decades have we lived with the malignancy of black families and culture in decline?!
A slow motion train wreck we all saw coming. Yet we were powerless to stop it.
You are more right than you know. Modernity is mostly just rationalized (and then subsidized) sexual promiscuity
We all know strong the sex drive is. For millenia one of the functions of religion was to contain it. Christianity - forget whether you believe it or not - was the summit of the evolution of religion as the container of libido. It struck the perfect balance between warnings of divine anger and a positive, flesh-affirming view of sex within heterosexual marriage. This is the only recipe for channeling the sex drive. No secular worldview is capable of producing the slightest force to countervail the urge to throw off all fidelities and copulate. And that is very, very bad for civilization, because it produces children raised without fathers.
And - pay attention - girls without fathers, or good fathers, become “girls gone wild”, as they desperately seek the admiration from a male gaze which a virtuous father would supply, even as he taught her that she need not throw away her princess-hood to get it.
Boys without fathers become animals, predators in the streets who band into gangs for protection. They’ll devolve into tribalism, committing atrocities in thrall to a clan chief (faux-father). A boy needs a father to grab him by the arm at an early age and say “men don’t behave like that. Straighten up or I’ll kick your ass.” Boys instinctively know they need this, and always feel gratitude in later years for a tough but loving father.
So Christendom, that unrealized ideal, realized in fragments and imperfect hybrids here and there, for all its flaws, was the cradle of science and civilization alike.
I need to be clear here: I am not talking about a male-dominated society or a patriarchy. The Christian father rules by strength through love and a service attitude (people should actually READ St. Paul). Islam is not capable of creating a great civilization because the Muslim father (like Allah) rules by force, and seeks to perpetuate the rule of his sons over all females. It’s all just a pre-civilized tribal structure with Allah at the top of a coercive pyramid. The Incarnation, that sole unique historical event, flipped the traditional religious pyramid upside down. The religion of Mohammed is not just a rival to Christ - it is the opposite. But this is not the day for comparative metaphysics - my point is about families. Only Christendom creates a civilization made of families.
Mothers - most mothers - simply cannot do their own part and also make up for the lack of the father. So single motherhood gradually erodes the culture from within, producing loose daughters who breed with predator sons, and it all spirals downward. The opposite of civilization. We see it now most advanced in Black culture in America, but that’s just because they are ahead of white culture by a few decades
The decadence of Black culture in America is completely explainable by the illegitimacy rate, and you cannot birth babies into homes without breadwinners unless there is money from somewhere. Money flows into the Black community unconnected to work in massive amounts. Give people free money, no matter what color their skin is, and they will devolve into a pre-civilized state. Again, since the strongest force held in check by the structures of civilization is sex, undisciplined sex and its sequelae is a most visible mark that civilization is collapsing
This is to simplify a bit, in order to exegete. Many individuals and families who may be Muslim or completely atheist do not fit this stereotypical analysis. I am not talking about them. I am generalizing, because the exceptions, even if there are many, are irrelevant. In every cultural group, the predictable future is the present mean.
Also, this has all occurred historically alongside the rest of America rapidly throwing off the yoke of Christendom, so other changes - like easy abortion - are proximate causes. And other racial and ethnic groups are tacking to and fro behind the Black community in the same direction, using the same winds. It’s just that the collective bad conscience from slavery accelerated the Black descent before all others.
The secularizing forces are really just in search of a state of being that has two features: 1. Free Sex, and 2. Free Money. That’s it. Secular man is nothing more than a spoiled teenager. In the West, our endgame is this condition of “terminal affluence”, where we all have free sex and free money. Modernity is just the drive toward subsidized promiscuity.
And it will be hell.
This has been all over FR for a long time. In some places it’s 80%.
Before the introduction of AFDC aka as “Unlce will pay you to make babies as long as you’re not married” the illegitimacy rate among blacks wsa 20%, among whites 2 to 3%. Now whites it’s about 17 to 20%, “Hispanics” about 40%, and blacks through the roof. And all the figures are rising.
All these children raised without married mother and father in the home are damaged. Some turn out okay, but the odds are vastly against them, especially in large cities with gang crap all around them. Enough studies have been done to show clearly that children raised by single mothers have terrible problems. Of course simple common sense tells us that as well.
If this does not change*, it basically will usher in, even if there was nothing else, destruction of our country.
*It will have to change because Uncle is running out of money and will not be able to support the dozens of millions forever. Not with 99 weeks of unemployment morphing into SSI, the others directly going to SSI, the 40% of the population (IIRC) on food stamps, and so on.
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I was thinking of pinging this out and then saw Taliesan's comment. Excellent analysis and I agree in every particular but one - any authentic religion will also curb the animal sex drive and make it sacred within marriage, when not preventing conception. So sincere followers of authentic (ie not modernized into nonsense) Judaism, Hinduism and Buddhism as well as Christianity will also share the same moral values and restraints. Islam is a whole 'nother ballgamem as he notes.
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Wow, figures have gone up since I last saw.
Pinglistees - make sure you read yefragetuwrabrumuy’s comments above, too. #27 and #38.
Yep, I've heard that weak excuse, too. Yet African and Caribbean nations that have few whites and blacks in control have among the highest homicide and rape rates in the world. Likewise, American cities that have the highest percentage of black people and blacks in control have the highest homicide rates in America. Hard to argue that white racism is to blame for black violence when black violence increases dramatically where there are fewer whites and no whites in control.
Thanks for sharing...