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I need some recommendations for .45 ACP Pistols(2) and where to get them...
14 Aug 2013 | US Navy Vet

Posted on 08/14/2013 11:33:53 AM PDT by US Navy Vet

...I will be getting my FFL soon.


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Culture/Society
KEYWORDS: 45acp; guncontrol; secondamendment
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To: US Navy Vet
OK, colour Me confused. I have been seriously considering the necessity of complying with fedregs and getting some manner of 'licence' as I wish to purchase some firearms, primarily 1911's of various types and some inexpensive rifles in .308, 30-06, or others of that ilk along with one or two really cheap .22LR calibre rifles for varmint suppression or squirrel stew. Being stuck in NorCal has been extremely irritating as far as getting any help from officials in finding out how to legally obtain them.

I am disabled and unable to relocate and do not have many options as far as travel to a nearby "Gun Store", so getting them shipped directly here or even close to here is looking more and more like the best option. Of course, I have not and could not *cough* consider purchasing any previously-owned weapons, as there are a couple of small lakes nearby and the chances of losing any of the collectable weapons that might be offered due to an unfortunate boating accident is rather large.

Any suggestions? Is it really that difficult to become certified to have them shipped to you, or do the more experienced FReepers here think it not too good an idea? Hate to wind up on some fedgov database, but I'm just pulling up blanks at this point.

41 posted on 08/14/2013 12:26:37 PM PDT by Utilizer (Ba-con Ah'hkkba'aar! <- In muzlim world are only fast goats & slow boys. Slow goats all dead. ->)
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To: US Navy Vet

There are so many good ones that your main considerations will be:

1 - Budget

2 - Size

3 - Steel or polymer

If you can just go out and buy something like a Kimber that’s a nice way to go.

Otherwise most any of those mentioned here are worth a look.

FWIW, I bought a Sprinfield full size and am happy with it.
I feel I got a good value for the price.

For a realistic idea on actual current selling prices check out:

Gun Broker - http://www.gunbroker.com/Firearms/BI.aspx

Guns America - http://www.gunsamerica.com/

Gunshop guys love to show you their stock and it’s a good way to get a feel for what’s available. Most will also do their best to be competitive on price so it pays to know what a particular gun sells for before you start to negotiate.

As poster #7 pointed out, many ranges rent guns which is a good way to try before you buy.

And don’t overlook pawn shops as a place to look and buy. You never know what you will find at some of the better ones. There are a few near by to me that have more guns for sale than many of the local gun shops.


42 posted on 08/14/2013 12:28:29 PM PDT by Iron Munro (To learn who rules over you, simply find out who you are not allowed to criticize - Voltaire)
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To: US Navy Vet
That is cool.

When you filled out the FFL application, you specified a Place of Business and Business Hours. Expect visitors.

43 posted on 08/14/2013 12:31:43 PM PDT by jboot (It can happen here because it IS happening here.)
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To: US Navy Vet

If the 1911 is good enough for the Marines, it is good enough for me.

http://www.colt.com/ColtMilitary/News/tabid/84/articleType/ArticleView/articleId/54/Colt-Defense-LLC-Announces-Award-of-Marine-Corps-M45-Close-Quarter-Battle-Pistol-CQBP-Contract.aspx

After all, the .45ACP was specifically designed to kill muzzlemen, especially Juramentados.


44 posted on 08/14/2013 12:33:40 PM PDT by Ruy Dias de Bivar (Sometimes you need 7+ more ammo. LOTS MORE.)
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To: US Navy Vet

Sig Sauer .45 220 excellant right out of the box.Easy cleaning as well.Unlike some 1911 variants.


45 posted on 08/14/2013 12:34:54 PM PDT by puppypusher (The World is going to the dogs.)
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To: Utilizer

If you want them shipped directly to you then you must become an FFL. The ATF only issues FFL’s for honest to goodness firearms related business. It can be run out of your house with no retail store front but it must be a business. There are soem guys still out there with FFL’s with out an actual business but the ATF is cracking down on them and revoking licenses. There is a lot of paperwork that must be maintained and you are open to inspection by the ATF anytime sans warrant. There is a speciall FFL license called a Curio and Relic or C&R FFL. It is only $35 a year it typically obtained by collectors. However, all the weapons you purchase must be 25 years or older... Go to the ATF site and you can find more info.


46 posted on 08/14/2013 12:36:03 PM PDT by Syntyr (Happiness is two at low eight!)
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To: jboot

Yep and I get the “special” ATF “approved” Log Book coming from Amazon too.


47 posted on 08/14/2013 12:41:29 PM PDT by US Navy Vet (Go Packers! Go Rockies! Go Boston Bruins! See, I'm "Diverse"!)
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To: US Navy Vet
Instead of others telling you what their favorite piece is, you need to find out what works for *you*. The best way to do this is to go to a local range that rents pistols and shoot several different ones. See what feels best in your hand and points the most naturally for you. Doing this will save you a lot of frustration and money.

You also need to get a holster. This is almost as important as the pistol itself. The wrong holster will make the gun uncomfortable, difficult to draw, and with really cheap holsters, you could even have the gun fall out onto the ground. Ask your friends if you can try on their concealment holsters and that will give you an idea of the type of holster you want to buy. Spend the money to get a good quality holster. It is worth every penny.

So far as getting the best price, you might check with local dealers to find who will charge you the least to receive a handgun. There is a dealer in my area who does this for only $25. Then you can go online to sites like GunsAmerica and GunBroker, find a great deal, and have it shipped to the dealer. This should save you a lot of money.

Hope this helps.

48 posted on 08/14/2013 12:43:04 PM PDT by Vigilant1 (The price of liberty is eternal vigilance.)
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To: Ruy Dias de Bivar
If the 1911 is good enough for the Marines, it is good enough for me. ... After all, the .45ACP was specifically designed to kill muzzlemen, especially Juramentados.

But is was NOT designed to be concealed carried, nor as a primary weapon as is usually the point of these threads.

49 posted on 08/14/2013 12:43:08 PM PDT by papertyger (Blessed are the flexible for they shall not be broken....)
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To: US Navy Vet

I love my old school Springfield 1911 GI. If it was good enough for my grandpappy, it’s good enough for me. Plus it goes beautifully with my M-1 Garand.

http://home.comcast.net/~jsavga//1911/Springfield_GI-1.jpg


50 posted on 08/14/2013 12:43:53 PM PDT by Mustard
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To: Utilizer; US Navy Vet
You can download everything you need to obtain an FFL from the BATFE here. You will need to find a local agency willing and able to fingerprint you on the official card (usually the sheriff). Other than that the state is basically Not Involved and have no standing to deny you an FFL or interfere with your business once you are an FFL.

That being said, you won't be able to trade in guns/accessories banned at the state level. If you already possess them you may be able to transport them outside the state to sell, but you will not be able to bring them into your state. Also, having an FFL *is* going to attract attention from the Feds. You will be required to specify a business address and hours of operation. You should expect government visitors from time to time at that place and during those hours. A FFL is not a golden ticket by any means.

51 posted on 08/14/2013 12:49:14 PM PDT by jboot (It can happen here because it IS happening here.)
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To: US Navy Vet

BATFE used to send them out gratis. I got a big honkin’ logbook when I got my C&R license. I guess the sequester hit that, too. ;-)


52 posted on 08/14/2013 12:51:14 PM PDT by jboot (It can happen here because it IS happening here.)
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To: jboot

Are you an FFL?


53 posted on 08/14/2013 12:52:06 PM PDT by US Navy Vet (Go Packers! Go Rockies! Go Boston Bruins! See, I'm "Diverse"!)
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To: Syntyr

Thanks for the tip, really appreciate it. The nearest known “Gun Shop” to where I am currently located is about 75 miles away. I would have to take the local county transit bus and transfer to the neighboring county bus just to get into the city, then have to stay overnight before returning the next day. Add to that the inability to know beforehand what was available, let alone within the price range I can afford, and then the added burden of completing the regis-forms of which I am not certain of what would be required for completion and ten-day waiting period on top of that before possibly being able to return to pick up the purchase... just a great headache. Even considered riding with a friend to a neighboring state relatively close by and trying there, but I hear there are some rather large difficulties with purchases or attempts thereof from another state. All info is appreciated.


54 posted on 08/14/2013 12:54:25 PM PDT by Utilizer (Ba-con Ah'hkkba'aar! <- In muzlim world are only fast goats & slow boys. Slow goats all dead. ->)
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To: Syntyr; Utilizer
C&R is usually a good idea but finding dealers willing to ship to a C&R holder in CA may be difficult. Also, it is $35 for 3 years. The forms for C&R are here.
55 posted on 08/14/2013 12:55:07 PM PDT by jboot (It can happen here because it IS happening here.)
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To: US Navy Vet

It is really easy to find a good .45 auto now. At one time that wasn’t true. I can remember when Colts and Star model Ps were the only common ones. I also once had a Llama copy of the M1911. It was cheap and not as finely finished as the Colt but something about it always appealed to me. The fact that is was accurate and totally reliable were part of it.

I can remember the two best .45s I ever owned. One was a Frankenstein series 70 and the other was an Argentine modelo 1927. That used Argentine military model was the most accurate .45 I have ever owned and close to the most accurate gun period.


56 posted on 08/14/2013 12:56:39 PM PDT by yarddog (Romans 8: verses 38 and 39. "For I am persuaded".)
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To: US Navy Vet

Longtime C&R with a lot of FFL friends. I was thinking of upgrading to an FFL this year but decided that I didn’t want the extra fed “oversight.” C&Rs generally coast under the radar because there isn’t much potential for us to abuse the privilege.


57 posted on 08/14/2013 12:58:05 PM PDT by jboot (It can happen here because it IS happening here.)
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To: jboot

A C&R dealer cannot receive a modern handgun. They can only receive qualifying ‘curios & relics’ firearms.


58 posted on 08/14/2013 12:59:21 PM PDT by Vigilant1 (The price of liberty is eternal vigilance.)
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To: jboot

My FFL “fee” was $230.00


59 posted on 08/14/2013 1:00:35 PM PDT by US Navy Vet (Go Packers! Go Rockies! Go Boston Bruins! See, I'm "Diverse"!)
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To: Jewbacca

That’s FFA Class, not Type.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Federal_Firearms_License

Types are the first column on the page. There are 9 of them. Only three Classes, however.


60 posted on 08/14/2013 1:02:43 PM PDT by yefragetuwrabrumuy (Be Brave! Fear is just the opposite of Nar!)
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