Posted on 08/22/2013 11:52:50 AM PDT by Cold Case Posse Supporter
If dual citizens couldn’t be president then any country could make anybody ineligible just by granting them citizenship.
I watched the video. It seems clear to me that the commenter was speaking from a political point of view, and not a Constitutional one.
They are very good at talking but it will still take 22 guilty votes from Democrat Senators plus holding the RINOs to remove Obama via that route. 67 votes are required in the Senate and there are 45 Republicans between now and January of 2015.
Oh sure, the House can pass a Bill of Impeachment like they did for Bubba Clinton-Lewinsky. But getting the Senate to convict? Well that’s a different story.
Birth notices don’t come from the hospital to the newspapers, they come from the Department of Health (in 1961, it was called the Health Bureau).
The section of the newspapers they were in is called “Health Bureau Statistics.”
The INS memo does name the child:
http://www.wnd.com/files/2012/07/INS-6.jpg
And you do know that births could have been self reported by a parent or grandparent for children not born in a hospital.
Should have said infants.
In a separate section not entitled “Health Bureau Staistics.”
“You know, during the campaign of 2008, I was actually in the mainland campaigning for Senator McCain. This issue kept coming up so much in the campaign, and again I think it’s one of those issues that is simply a distraction from the more critical issues that are facing the country. And so I had my health director, who is a physician by background, go personally view the birth certificate in the birth records of the Department of Health, and we issued a news release at that time saying that the president was, in fact, born at Kapi’olani Hospital in Honolulu, Hawaii. And that’s just a fact. And yet people continue to call up and e-mail and want to make it an issue. And I think it’s, again, a horrible distraction for the country by those people who continue this. It’s been established. He was born here.” —Governor Linda Lingle (R-HI)
“Swede provides ‘proof’ in Obama birth debate”
http://www.thelocal.se/33472/20110429/
Birthers wave off those birth announcements, saying that Obama family members 48 years ago could have phoned in false information to both newspapers.
Such vital statistics, however, were not sent to the newspapers by the general public but by the Health Department, which received the information directly from hospitals, Okubo said.
Birth announcements from the public ran elsewhere in both papers and usually included information such as the newborn’s name, weight and time of birth.
http://the.honoluluadvertiser.com/article/2009/Jul/28/ln/hawaii907280345.html
Think about what you are saying..... If you vote for Cruz knowing that he is not qualified, THEY WIN and the constitution loses. You will have surrendered to Obama's fundamental change.
You want to win a battle so we can lose the war? .... They are just offering you the hope of temporary political victory as bait and like a dog you take it?
We need to return to the Constitutional principles that made the USA great. I realize your frustrated but Voting for an ineligible candidate is not the answer!
It is well known that during this time, Hawaii was a gateway for people from other countries to easily get US citizenship. The article you site from 2009 is not credible and is full of inaccuracies and distortions.
The bottom line is that the birth announcements, the article you site or a computer generated digital pdf file is not acceptable to apply for a child to play in little league baseball or make application for a passport.
Yet you are willing to accept it as proof as eligibility for the highest office in the land..... Doesn't pass the smell test.
Zullo is right, the birth announcements and birth registry don’t mean anything. They are just line items. The newspaper birth announcements don’t even tell where the birth took place. It only states a birth took place. Also Zullo found evidence where 2 adopted individuals were placed in the birth announcements as newborn infants 3 years after their birth. So in essence, the newspaper birth announcements are not credible information. They are not official documents.
The Health Bureau Statistics birth announcements in the newspapers would be nothing more than corroborating evidence, not primary evidence if there was ever to be a criminal trial. The same is true of the corroboration provided by the 1961 Index of all Hawaiian births that the Hawaii Department of Health maintains and the 1961 Birth Index lists the Barack Obama birth.
The only birth document that matters legally is the one that is in Hawaii Registrar of Vital Statistics Alvin T. Onaka’s safe at the Hawaii Department of Health and the only information on that birth vital record that is relevant to Article II, Section 1 eligibility is name of the child, date of birth and place if birth. If any judge should wish to inspect and compare the original to the PDF image, they can issue a court order for its release and if any congressional committee should wish to compare and inspect it, they can issue a congressional subpoena for the vault copy long form birth record.
The PDF image of the document on the whitehouse.gov web site is no more legally relevant than a digital image of a person on the Internet is the same as the real live person. A digitized image is a graphic representation of a hard copy.
As long as the data is the same on the computer image as the data that is on the original, there is no crime and the state of Hawaii has said on numerous occasions that the data is the same.
Fox News: “Obama birth certificate moved to more secure location months ago.”
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2011/04/27/obama-birth-certificate-moved-secure-location-months-ago/
Anything that Hawaii has said Nero can’t be considered legitimate anymore. The Cold Case Posse’s evidence contradicts all of their statements.
Edge919 says: “IOW, the Wong Kim Ark decision categorically excluded any and all persons from being natural-born citizens if not born in the country to citizen parents. Those who rely on the 14th amendment for citizenship had to satisfy the subject clause by being born to parents with permanent residence and domicil. Cruz doesn’t meet these conditions nor does Obama.”
As to Senator Cruz, my guess is that the statute (8 U.S.C. § 1401) that defines one category of citizen of the United States at birth as: “a person born outside the geographical limits of the United States and its outlying possessions of parents one of whom is an alien, and the other a citizen of the United States who, prior to the birth of such person, was physically present in the United States or its outlying possessions for a period or periods totaling not less than five years, at least two of which were after attaining the age of fourteen years...” will carry him to confirmation of natural born citizen status should his eligibility ever be tested in court.
From the Wong majority decision:
[An alien parent’s] allegiance to the United States is direct and immediate, and, although but local and temporary, continuing only so long as he remains within our territory, is yet, in the words of Lord Coke in Calvin’s Case, 7 Coke, 6a, ’strong enough to make a natural subject, for, if he hath issue here, that issue is a natural-born subject’
The Wong court also held that: “Subject’ and ‘citizen’ are, in a degree, convertible terms as applied to natives; and though the term ‘citizen’ seems to be appropriate to republican freemen, yet we are, equally with the inhabitants of all other countries, ’subjects,’ for we are equally bound by allegiance and subjection to the government and law of the land.’ and the Court went on to rule: “…every child born in England of alien parents was a natural-born subject, unless the child of an ambassador or other diplomatic agent of a foreign state, or of an alien enemy in hostile occupation of the place where the child was born.
“ The same rule was in force in all the English colonies upon this continent down to the time of the Declaration of Independence, and in the United States afterwards, and continued to prevail under the constitution as originally established.”
United States v. Wong Kim Ark, 169 U.S. 649 (1898)
And in contemporary times, 16 courts have ruled that Barack Obama is eligible as a natural born citizen and no court has ever ruled to the contrary. For example:
Tisdale v Obama, US District Court Judge John A. Gibney, Jr.: “It is well settled that those born within the United States are natural born citizens.”— Tisdale v Obama, US District Court of the Eastern District of Virginia, January 23, 2012.
http://www.scribd.com/doc/82011399/Tisdale-v-Obama-EDVA-3-12-cv-00036-Doc-2-ORDER-23-Jan-2012
In the Maricopa County Cold Case Posse’s own state of Arizona, Secretary of State Ken Bennett used a Letter of Verification from Hawaii Registrar of Vital Statistics Alvin T, Onaka to approve Obama for the Arizona presidential ballot in 2012.
http://www.azcentral.com/12news/Obama-Verification.pdf
There was no legal challenge to Secretary of State Bennett’s ruling.
Also, Arizona is one of the states where a court has ruled that Obama is a natural born citizen.
Allen v Obama, Arizona Superior Court Judge Richard E. Gordon: “Arizona courts are bound by United States Supreme Court precedent in construing the United States Constitution, and this precedent fully supports that President Obama is a natural born citizen under the Constitution and thus qualified to hold the office of President. Contrary to Plaintiff’s assertion, Minor v. Happersett, 88 U.S. 162 (1874), does not hold otherwise.”—Pima County Superior Court, Tuscon, Arizona, March 7, 2012
http://www.scribd.com/doc/84531299/AZ-2012-03-07-Allen-v-Obama-C20121317-ORDER-Dismissing-Complaint
Just because Mike Zullo issues statements doesn’t mean that those statements have any impact on real world events.
Ken Bennett made a bad decision. Zullo saw it as a political decision to get the media off of him. They were ridiculing him pretty hard. He was desperate and took the bait from Hawaii after they made him change his request wording.
What can settle this one about the birth announcements would be if someone saved their hardcopy announcement and the clipping included the people above and below that particular entry.
Would show if 0bamas were listed or if some shenanigans were done with the microfilm.
See my #138. Would be good if someone has the actual hardcopy with their announcement, plus the others nearby. Then see if 0 is listed.
“When Barack Obama Jr. was born on Aug. 4,1961, in Honolulu”
There is NO proof of that.
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