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Is the IRS Fishing for Lists of Veterans?
Pajamas Media ^ | 08/28/2013 | Bryan Preston

Posted on 08/28/2013 7:06:36 AM PDT by SeekAndFind

This is disturbing.

If the president wants to get angry about something, how about getting mad about the IRS leaping on the American Legion, requiring individual Legion posts to provide proof of their members’ eligibility, virtually accusing the veterans organization of being a cover for and sanctioning tax fraud?

As the Daily Caller has learned, this targeting of the American Legion is happening under a 13-part section of Part 4, Chapter 76 of the Internal Revenue Manual pertaining to “veterans’ organizations.” The section falls under “Exempt Organizations Examination Guidelines,” which was the jurisdiction of Exempt Organizations head Lerner.

“The American Legion has recently learned of the so-called IRS ‘audit manual’ and is concerned that portions of it attempt to amend statutes passed by Congress and approved by the president,” American Legion legal counsel Philip Onderdonk Jr. told The Daily Caller.

“The IRS now requires American Legion posts to maintain dates of service and character of service records for all members. …The penalty for not having the required proof of eligibility is, apparently, $1,000 per day,&88221; the American Legion stated.

The American Legion, of which I’ve been a member on and off since leaving the Air Force, is a non-partisan organization chartered by Congress in 1919 that provides benefits and discounts to veterans while representing us as a group on veterans issues. It has existed for nearly a century, has never been partisan, and has never been required to furnish the information that the Obama administration is now demanding. The Obama IRS is treating this organization of veterans as if it has engaged in some wrongdoing, when it has not.

In isolation this might not be so profoundly unsettling, but it’s not happening in isolation. The Obama administration in 2009 identified veterans as potential terrorist threats in a Homeland Security report. This year, a Pentagon training guide identifies the American Founding Fathers and conservatives as “extremists.” The IRS has become a weapon against the president’s opponents, as the agency itself admitted, on May 10. Additionally, the Obama government has developed a consistent pattern of tilting toward those it perceives as its friends, while punishing those it perceives as its enemies. It could be using the Internal Revenue Service to obtain comprehensive lists of veterans around the country. If that’s the case, then a question must follow: For what purpose?



TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Crime/Corruption; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: irs; veterans
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1 posted on 08/28/2013 7:06:36 AM PDT by SeekAndFind
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To: SeekAndFind

hey retards at the IRS. You are a federal agency.

Guess what? Lists of Veterans are available at the DOD, another federal agency


2 posted on 08/28/2013 7:08:35 AM PDT by yldstrk (My heroes have always been cowboys)
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You are a federal agency. Guess what? Lists of Veterans are available at the DOD, another federal agency

That's a couple of keystrokes--work. And then they don't get to levy fines.

3 posted on 08/28/2013 7:11:10 AM PDT by Pearls Before Swine
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To: Pearls Before Swine

I don’t believe dues to the AL are tax deductable, are they? If not, why do they need this info at all. What is the point. Obviously it is now not a crime if some jerk decides to adorn himself with milatary decorations he was not entitled to, so who cares if someone not a veteran is a member of the Legion? This is simple harrassment. These creatures all have to go, starting with the top.


4 posted on 08/28/2013 7:17:02 AM PDT by Mouton (The insurrection laws perpetuate what we have for a government now.)
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To: SeekAndFind
If the president wants to get angry about something . . .

Why would 0-Zero get angry at the IRS for following his orders?

5 posted on 08/28/2013 7:17:13 AM PDT by Dalberg-Acton
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To: SeekAndFind

Likely they are looking to cross-match the American Legion members with the gun owner registrations, so they will have current, local addresses on veterans with firearms.


6 posted on 08/28/2013 7:21:18 AM PDT by NEMDF
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To: Pearls Before Swine

No intimidation value, either.

(”Paranoid, who’s paranoid?”)


7 posted on 08/28/2013 7:27:13 AM PDT by BwanaNdege ("Life is short. It's even shorter if you suggest going out for pizza on your anniversary" Peter Egan)
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To: SeekAndFind

It looks like there are WAY too many governement employees who have been encouraged to make mischief.


8 posted on 08/28/2013 7:29:51 AM PDT by Dr. Sivana (There's no salvation in politics.)
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To: yldstrk

They’re not interested in all veterans, just those who identify with the American Legion.

I don’t have any hard statistically significant data, but my own anecdotal experience is that American Legion members tend to cling to old-fashioned notions of patriotism, guns, and so forth.

An up-to-date list of members would be helpful in identifying candidates for re-education in upcoming fundamental transformations.


9 posted on 08/28/2013 7:36:59 AM PDT by Skepolitic
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To: Mouton

The American Legion (as well as the VFW) cares if a non-veteran tries to join. A DD-214 is required to become a member of either organization.


10 posted on 08/28/2013 7:42:06 AM PDT by Bob
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To: SeekAndFind

Rogue IRS Shamefully Targets Nation’s Veterans
Monday, August 26, 2013 9:22:40 PM · 9 of 19
mosesdapoet to raptor22
This has been making the rounds in FR circles.
Membership in The American Legion and the VFW are regulated to be at specific times as stated and voted on by their respective memberships.It is Restricted to times of a declared conflict.

To belong to a local American Legion or VFW post the applicant must produce a copy of his record of service known as a DD-214 and that copy is retained by that local post. It proves the dates of service and cites any combat awards and foreign theater campaign awards given to that individual.

While the American Legion requires the individual to be in service during those times , the VFW requires a member to have a foreign theater ribbon proving they served overseas with the exception of the Alaskan WWII campaigns.

If posts do not have these documents on file the respective state organizations known as Departments can and do shut them down. I belong to both and have served as an officer in both.


11 posted on 08/28/2013 7:48:49 AM PDT by mosesdapoet (Serious contribution pause.Please continue onto meaningless venting no one reads.)
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Yes, I know that and it as such it makes it even stranger anyone would ask for a list of members to determine if they were vets.


12 posted on 08/28/2013 8:21:11 AM PDT by Mouton (The insurrection laws perpetuate what we have for a government now.)
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To: SeekAndFind

just identifying and classifying the regime’s targets knowledge of weaponry and strategery.

we are all targets now, yaknow.

of drunk illegal aliens, renegade kids on drugs/rap/politics.. of our ‘own’d gubamint.


13 posted on 08/28/2013 8:28:34 AM PDT by NormsRevenge (Semper Fi --)
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To: SeekAndFind

Just another AMERICAN institution that the foreign born marxist obama and his minions have targeted for destruction.

Make no mistake, obama wasn’t born here, because he doesn’t ACT like he was born here. He has none of the American mannerisms you would expect to see, even for a flaming liberal that is a native. Other than his indoctrination and grooming in chicago, I doubt he would make it through a customs line at the airport today.


14 posted on 08/28/2013 8:29:09 AM PDT by factoryrat (We are the producers, the creators. Grow it, mine it, build it.)
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To: SeekAndFind

Stop all these tax exempt stuff and just have a 18 percent across the board tax for EVERYONE and EVERYTHING. This is ridiculous arguing over this and that. Flat Tax is the way to go.


15 posted on 08/28/2013 8:43:32 AM PDT by napscoordinator ( Santorum-Bachmann 2016 for the future of the Country!)
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To: SeekAndFind

i am a veteran..

i am not eligible to join...

how does this group represent all veterans then???


16 posted on 08/28/2013 8:53:35 AM PDT by joe fonebone
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To: joe fonebone

The American legion is a conservative organization, which is a problem for democrats.

joe fonebone, how is it that you can’t join the American legion?


17 posted on 08/28/2013 8:59:10 AM PDT by ansel12 (Obama-[obamacare] "used to be a Republican idea. ThereÂ’s a governor of Massachusetts who set it up.)
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To: SeekAndFind

Trying to determine if the private drinking clubs some of these organizations have become are including non-veterans in their membership, so they won’t be tax exempt?


18 posted on 08/28/2013 9:51:23 AM PDT by JimRed (Excise the cancer before it kills us; feed &water the Tree of Liberty! TERM LIMITS, NOW & FOREVER!)
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To: Mouton
I don’t believe dues to the AL are tax deductable, are they? If not, why do they need this info at all. What is the point.

Maybe they are concerned that the AL could become the nucleus for an anti-O political (read patriotic) group, and want to disadvantage it early.

19 posted on 08/28/2013 10:55:27 AM PDT by Pearls Before Swine
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To: ansel12

i served under carter...

1976 thru 1981 are not eligible to join any veterans organization..


20 posted on 08/28/2013 1:54:47 PM PDT by joe fonebone
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