Posted on 08/30/2013 12:02:15 PM PDT by Jim Robinson
OMG! ROFLOL
Never has so much been said in so few words!
How about trusting Justice Waite in Minor vs Happersett???
BTW aren't you getting a little ahead of yourself??? Unless I am mistaken Ted Cruz has not declared his candidacy, and yet there are still patriots who are still fighting the battle over O's eligibility -- like Sheriff Joe Arpaio.
Are you going to abandon them now in the midst of the battlefield and silence those who support them???
I don’t disagree with your larger thesis. My only point was that Vattel was Swiss, not French.
I’m trying like hell to support and promote your proposition. I think it’s a great idea. It gives everybody time to see where things go with Cruz without alienating one side or the other. I don’t want to see a bunch of good FReepers get the zot over this.
I noticed a few on the "not eligible" side have done so, I only wish more would consider doing so.
This thread, along with a couple of zots came after we started discussing the truce. I think JR has tipped his hand as to what he will do if things don't go the way of cease and desist. I hope it doesn't come to that, we need everyone here to concentrate on fighting the totalitarian left, not each other.
I think he aslo invented Velveeta. Heh. I needed a laugh.
How can you call yourself a patriot in a day such as this when you can’t resist the temptation to surrender your own Liberty to a bunch of senile unelected buffoons, the opinions of whom you seem to respect more than Liberty itself?
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This I will weigh in on...
PM for several days now you have questioned the very patriotism of those who would wonder at the eligibility of someone they are eager to champion but want to endorse with no hesitation or reservations...
as a Conservative who loves Amertica and the Constitution.should...
such as myself...
You appear to want to entertain court room drama in these threads and not concerned debate...
Do you see youself in the comment you gave to Kenny Bunk ???
Rather than expecting surrender however, you seem to be demanding that only your own oppinion be accepted and the liberty of others be squelched...
We are many months from 2016 ...the first debates will come at the end of 2015...
Many of us have the highest respect for Ted Cruz and the noblest of intentions...
If Ted Cruz runs and is own nominee I will gladly get behind him and encourage others to also...
But meanwhile, I have to live under the shadow of the suspicions and accusations and hatred of that-guy-in-my-White-House TM for 3 more years..
I’d rather in the case of my fellow sufferers, find liberty and tranquility and agreement and not the the same unconstitutional treatment...
You have said many things, now I expect to find examples of your fervent belief in them...
Although when you wrote, “You are a sovereign individual with a remnant of the Liberty” I would have perferred you meant all liberty is ours rather than the partial you appear to allow us...
I realize you are impassioned in your comments, but there are many loyal Americans in these threads who like myself are veterans who volunteered to defend our country...
Our love and regard for our country is genuine..
Like me they think that America is the greatest country on Earth...
Why are we Conservatives and the TEA Party if we must be horse whipped so ???
Your words sting not because they are true...
But because they are unnecessary and we are not children but men and women who have stood up for our God, our country and Conservatism...and LIBERTY
Personally while I would readily vote for certain candidates or perform certain activities, I will not be whipped or shamed into action...
That is not LIBERTY...
back in June, in Manchester, TN, when we stood outside the meeting of the Islamists wanting to steal our 1st Amendments rights and falsely accuse us of hate crimes ...We were shouting FREEDOM !!! FREDOM !!! FREEDOM !!! like a group of Braveheart warriors, but I never expected to have to echo the same here...
I find myself having to do so now...
FREEDOM !!! FREEDOM !!! FREEDOM !!!
For what is an Amertican if he or she is not FREE...
Tennessee Nana
American citizen
Alexander Hamilton told us to look to the language of the English law to define the terms in the Constitution (1795 legal brief). In 1787, English law defined natural born as anyone born in the country and anyone born outside the country to English subjects.
Article II Section 1 empowers and commands state legislators to appoint, as they “may direct,” presidential electors.
Conservatives should resist falling into the “let scotus decide” mindset of the Left.
The last think our republic can stand is further judicial interference with the political process to point that scotus gets to determine who can be president.
For five years, they’ve been allowed to speak and debate freely amongst themselves on the eligibility threads. Now that the eligibility discussion involves Cruz, it’s gone mainstream on FR. Jim told us where he stands. So, the birthers are facing a whole new reality at FR. I’m sure that’s a shock to their system. It’s going to take time.
You mean where he said the following:
Under the power to adopt a uniform system of naturalization Congress, as early as 1790, provided "that any alien, being a free white person," might be admitted as a citizen of the United States, and that the children of such persons so naturalized, dwelling within the United States, being under twenty-one years of age at the time of such naturalization, should also be considered citizens of the United States, and that the children of citizens of the United States that might be born beyond the sea, or out of the limits of the United States, should be considered as natural-born citizens. [n8] These provisions thus enacted have, in substance, been retained in all the naturalization laws adopted since.
I sincerely apologize to you if I seemed rude. That was not mt intent.
Amen.
Me? Kemosabe???
LOL
Quite correct. If one state's AG had challenged Obama's eligibility in 2008, or 2012, it might have gotten resolved at the correct time.
Candidate qualifications are evaluated in every election in every state. Quite a few candidates are challenged in every cycle.
Bunk? It is precisely our state officials who took a bunk on this matter. I believe it to be a legitimate question. Others do not.
Read it carefully and compare it to his words in #334.
He is saying that those born of citizen parents overseas are no less “citizens” than natural born citizens, ie those born of citizen parents at home.
Key words: “shall be considered as”
Tell me the process.
An AG challenges . . . goes to a state court . . . then what?
Therein lies the unanswered question for many birthers. If such citizens have no constitutional right to their citizenship, how is their statutory citizenship at birth equivalent to those for whom no statute is necessary, such as 14th Amendment citizens?
Is it your position that we should resolve any such doubts in favor of those citizens? Are you saying that a constitutional right to citizenship was not intended by the FF?
SCOTUS, in a decision by William O. Douglas (therefore nearly 40 years ago) struck down bastardy as a relevant legal classification. I never cared for Douglas but that decision made sense in that the child has no say-so in the fornication or adultery giving rise to his/her birth. Given the rising tide of out of wedlock births, bastardy is problematical at best.
So did I, thanks for the giggle!
If he was French it would have been Camembert, Brie, or Roquefort.
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