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CATO Institute: Yes, Ted Cruz Can be President
CATO Institute ^ | Aug 26, 2013 | By Ilya Shapiro, Senior Fellow In Constitutional Studies, Cato

Posted on 08/30/2013 12:02:15 PM PDT by Jim Robinson

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To: Jim Robinson

So you avoid the facts but name call. I’m not a blogger, or anything else. I’m a logical, rational, sentient natural born American.

You know the truth but would rather insult than face facts. He’s a Canadian. It’s self-evident.

I don’t care how may Traitor John’s say the opposite. The truth is the truth.

Fool yourself if you must it’s your site.


401 posted on 08/31/2013 4:20:15 PM PDT by Smokeyblue
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To: Smokeyblue; Jim Robinson

So, you can weigh the legal arguments presented on the issue and come to a self-evident, logical conclusion, but when Jim weighs the legal arguments and comes to a conclusion different from yours, he is simply deluding himself?

In one single post you called Jim delusional, dishonest, and ignorant of the facts. Wow.


402 posted on 08/31/2013 4:20:42 PM PDT by BuckeyeTexan (There are those that break and bend. I'm the other kind. ~Steve Earle)
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To: Jim Robinson

I’ve posted elsewhere that I like Ted Cruz, and I’ll repeat it here. I’ve already had my say about this issue, which anyone can search, so I’ll leave it at that: your site, your rules.


403 posted on 08/31/2013 4:21:36 PM PDT by OldNewYork (Biden '13. Impeach now.)
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To: BuckeyeTexan

Shouldn’t you be hanging out with your friends at Fogbow?


404 posted on 08/31/2013 4:22:14 PM PDT by Smokeyblue
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To: Jim Robinson

Would the founders have agreed that a person who holds dual citizenship at birth by birth is a Natural Born Citizen of this nation?


405 posted on 08/31/2013 4:22:56 PM PDT by MHGinTN (Being deceived can be cured.)
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To: Jim Robinson

“He never said he was a Canadian citizen.”

I guess that being born on Canadian soil thing is just a figment of my imagination then.

Just as long as he doesn’t admit being born on Canadian soil he’s not Canadian. Got it.


406 posted on 08/31/2013 4:25:27 PM PDT by Smokeyblue
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To: Smokeyblue

Are you a lawyer or not? Can you hold a candle to Mark Levin’s actual real life legal expertise going all the way back to the Reagan admin? Or did you learn all you think you know about the law by googling and reading birther blogs?


407 posted on 08/31/2013 4:31:22 PM PDT by Jim Robinson (Resistance to tyrants is obedience to God!!)
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To: xzins
This is different than Obama whose mother might have not fulfilled the residency requirement while Cruz’s mother definitely had.

No. I would have to conceded that if the founders intended to include the children of citizens born abroad as Natual born citizens, then a later residency requirement passed by Congress limiting that right in accordance with a residency requirement would be extra constitutional.

After studying the 1790 Congressional act, I would have to conclude that Obama would qualify as a natural born citizen even if he were born in Kenya.

408 posted on 08/31/2013 4:32:39 PM PDT by P-Marlowe (There can be no Victory without a fight and no battle without wounds)
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To: Smokeyblue

Yeah, probably. I mean, we’re so close and I spend so much time over there, you know. /s


409 posted on 08/31/2013 4:36:06 PM PDT by BuckeyeTexan (There are those that break and bend. I'm the other kind. ~Steve Earle)
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To: Smokeyblue
Ted Cruz has been an American citizen since birth. It is the Canadian government (not Cruz) who has been saying that he's also a Canadian citizen. He didn't ask for the Canadian government to offer him citizenship and he doesn't have to accept the offer. He shouldn't be prejudiced by what the Canadian government does or doesn't do. In my view, only Americans can make choices that are relevant to the selection of an American president. We cannot grant foreign governments the power to manipulate our choices or our future.

If you think you are more an American than Ted Cruz, then make your case. It better be a good one.

Ted Cruz - 2016

410 posted on 08/31/2013 4:36:29 PM PDT by Tau Food (Never give a sword to a man who can't dance.)
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To: Smokeyblue

You don’t see anything. Still waiting for you to clear up the mystery regarding your legal expertise. Why should anyone place more faith in your learned opinion than those of the author of this article or of Mark Levin’s.


411 posted on 08/31/2013 4:37:23 PM PDT by Jim Robinson (Resistance to tyrants is obedience to God!!)
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To: Jim Robinson

Distract. Point in another direction. Look squirrel.

Is Cruz Canadian or not? It’s self evident. It’s self-evident. It’s self-evident. Could Cruz be drafted by Canada? Facts. Facts. Facts.

I apologize for not being Mark Levin. I apologize for being able to discern basic facts and logic on my own.


412 posted on 08/31/2013 4:37:28 PM PDT by Smokeyblue
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To: Tau Food

“It is the Canadian government (not Cruz) who has been saying that he’s also a Canadian citizen.”

Haha. That’s too funny. Yeah that goofy Canadian government. Thanks for the laugh.


413 posted on 08/31/2013 4:40:37 PM PDT by Smokeyblue
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To: Smokeyblue; Jim Robinson
You know that’s really insulting.

You call Jim delusional, dishonest, and ignorant of the facts, but you're the one who's insulted? That's rich.

414 posted on 08/31/2013 4:44:36 PM PDT by BuckeyeTexan (There are those that break and bend. I'm the other kind. ~Steve Earle)
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To: Smokeyblue
I understand. You think we should be governed by foreign laws passed by foreign governments. If Canada had chosen to not view Cruz as a citizen, all would be different.

We're Americans. We make our own choices. We don't look to foreign laws for permission.

Ted Cruz has been an American citizen since his birth - a NBC.

Ted Cruz - 2016

415 posted on 08/31/2013 4:46:19 PM PDT by Tau Food (Never give a sword to a man who can't dance.)
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To: Tau Food
Ted Cruz has been an American citizen since his birth

Where was he born???

416 posted on 08/31/2013 4:53:07 PM PDT by Uncle Chip
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To: BuckeyeTexan

I was having a discussion with Mr. Robinson. I don’t know why you felt you needed to throw yourself into the discussion other than to throw fuel on the fire and mischaracterize my statements but kudos. You’ve accomplished your goal.


417 posted on 08/31/2013 4:53:20 PM PDT by Smokeyblue
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To: Smokeyblue

In other words, you have nothing. No legal expertise whatsoever. Can’t hold a candle to the author of this piece or to Mark Levin who appears to agree with it.

Come back and talk to me after you win your SCOTUS case.

Meanwhile, pardon me while I play through. Go, Cruz, GO!!


418 posted on 08/31/2013 4:57:56 PM PDT by Jim Robinson (Resistance to tyrants is obedience to God!!)
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To: Uncle Chip
Where was he born???

Oh, brother. Here we go.

I've been waiting for the birthers to claim that he was really born in Cuba and that his father is Fidel Castro.

No thanks. If you haven't yet figured out where Ted Cruz was born, just don't worry about it. Ted Cruz was born an American citizen - a NBC.

So, please, just go back to pounding on Obama!

419 posted on 08/31/2013 4:58:50 PM PDT by Tau Food (Never give a sword to a man who can't dance.)
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To: Uncle Chip
So are you saying that it is a requirement that a natural born citizen be born abroad??? That is what you are telling all of us -- that a mother must go to a foreign country in order to give birth to a natural born citizen of the country that they left??

Are you a complete idiot or do you just pretend to be one on the Internet?

We're done here. Have a nice day.

420 posted on 08/31/2013 5:03:52 PM PDT by P-Marlowe (There can be no Victory without a fight and no battle without wounds)
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