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Texas megachurch run by vaccine-denying preacher battles measles outbreak (Kenneth Copeland)
Daily Mail ^ | 8/28/2013

Posted on 08/31/2013 10:54:12 PM PDT by iowamark

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To: humblegunner

Leviticus 19:19
Deuteronomy 22:11


41 posted on 09/01/2013 3:28:27 AM PDT by preacher (Communism has only killed 100 million people: Let's give it another chance!)
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To: Ken H

I remember chicken pox parties. Can’t remember measle parties. I had both types of measles, the mumps and chicken pox when I was little. My sisters eyesight was affected when she had the measles. I had No lasting effects. Wasn’t fun having them, but I think I have a pretty good immune system maybe due having these diseases?


42 posted on 09/01/2013 3:36:59 AM PDT by June2
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To: OldNewYork

Vaccines are not 100% effective, and the effect fades over time so if they haven’t had a booster they were probably not fully protected. Many people (myself included) haven’t had the shots since high school.


43 posted on 09/01/2013 3:39:40 AM PDT by Squawk 8888 (I'd give up chocolate but I'm no quitter)
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To: Vendome

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44 posted on 09/01/2013 3:54:23 AM PDT by Eric in the Ozarks ("Say Not the Struggle Naught Availeth.")
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To: June2
I had both types of measles, the mumps and chicken pox when I was little

Me too.
I entered public school in the 2nd grade. Came down with all of them that year. Missed so much school I had to take the grade again
Think I felt worse with the measles. Ran a fever so high I had hallucinations. Common practice was to keep the light in the patient's room very low.

45 posted on 09/01/2013 4:02:03 AM PDT by Vinnie
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To: iowamark
and the majority of our cases are unimmunized
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

Even when immunized some people do not respond by producing anti-bodies. They have a high probability of getting sick if exposed to the disease.

For example, I took the full course of Hepititis B vaccines but have never responded with antibodies.

46 posted on 09/01/2013 4:16:24 AM PDT by wintertime
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To: iowamark

That should be Hepatitis.


47 posted on 09/01/2013 4:16:52 AM PDT by wintertime
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To: UnwashedPeasant; MrShoop
At least 4 people of the people who got it were vaccinated, and possibly 1 additional.

Clearly, the vaccination was ineffective for many who were vaccinated. This story is evidence against vaccination.

Of the 21 people who contracted measles linked to the church, 16 were unvaccinated. The others may have had at least one vaccination but had no documentation.

Clearly the evidence is to the contrary. The majority of the people who were vaccinated did not contract measles, of the 21 who were initially infected, 16 of the unvaccinated became infected and infected other who were also unvaccinated. With the other 5, they may have been vaccinated but there is no documentation or they may have only received one shot and not the booster.

48 posted on 09/01/2013 4:53:54 AM PDT by MD Expat in PA
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To: Dallas59
Being cured by something created be man is a sin. Same with eating certain foods and wearing certain types of cloth.

Spandex is the work of the devil!

49 posted on 09/01/2013 4:54:31 AM PDT by Flick Lives (We're going to be just like the old Soviet Union, but with free cell phones!)
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To: iowamark

Blame the preacher crowd goes wild. Over the past several years children have not been vaccinated due to the autism link. I am not debating whether it exists or not, but that is a big deal to patents now. Public screwls demand vaccination compliance, so that leaves home schoolers as the pro choice crowd.


50 posted on 09/01/2013 5:10:13 AM PDT by momincombatboots (Back to West by G-d Virginia.)
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To: faithhopecharity

it is chicken pox that resurfaces as shingles.


51 posted on 09/01/2013 5:14:24 AM PDT by Mom MD (A million people attended Obamas inauguration. 14 of them actually missed work)
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To: Shethink13
How many of the infected suffered serious, long-term effects from contracting measles? There seems to be a bit of an overreaction to this, as if everyone who contracted the measles suffered a horrible death.

While German measles is a bit more dangerous (I had it as a child), mumps/measles/chickenpox seemed to be cause for party time (in the '50s anyway) to get the kids in the neighborhood exposed and over them childhood diseases.

I did recently get a shingles vaccination in hopes I don't have to go through the discomfort in my old age...

52 posted on 09/01/2013 5:20:13 AM PDT by trebb (Where in the the hell has my country gone?)
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To: UnwashedPeasant; iowamark

I have no religious objection to vaccination (and find such objections to be without merit) but the rhetoric employed against this church has worrisome implications. A government that can vaccinate your child against your will can also force your daughter or wife to take an abortifactant drug against her will or your elderly self to take a euthanasia drug against your own will. It’s for “the greater good,” you see.


53 posted on 09/01/2013 5:20:22 AM PDT by jboot (It can happen here because it IS happening here.)
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To: preacher

What about the one where he claims being cured by anything created by man is a sin? Thanks.


54 posted on 09/01/2013 5:21:57 AM PDT by spetznaz (Nuclear-tipped Ballistic Missiles: The Ultimate Phallic Symbol)
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To: momincombatboots
Public screwls demand vaccination compliance, so that leaves home schoolers as the pro choice crowd.

Cool. But if you choose not to get your kid vaccinated and your kid contracts measles and infects someone who; couldn’t get vaccinated because of a health problem; or another child that had their first shot but hadn’t yet gotten the booster; or someone that just got their vaccination but hadn’t yet built up sufficient immunity; or your kid infects a pregnant woman and causes a miscarriage or a birth defect; one of those you kid infects dies from a complication like pneumonia or meningitis, then would you agree that they should have the choice to sue you for damages?

55 posted on 09/01/2013 5:22:29 AM PDT by MD Expat in PA
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To: iowamark

Another sky-pilot augers in!


56 posted on 09/01/2013 5:24:42 AM PDT by headsonpikes (Mass murder and cannibalism are the twin sacraments of socialism - "Who-whom?"-Lenin)
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To: Shethink13
Your comments, while they may be of interest, are not pertinent because 1) this outbreak is measles, not rubella, two different diseases

Nope.
Rubella is the German measles. So called because it was first described by German physicians in the mid-eighteenth century.

and 2) I queried how many during this outbreak in 2013 (not 1962-65) have serious, long-term consequences.

For the child that contracts the disease, there are little long-term consequences.
But pregnant mothers that are exposed to those children are a different story.

Filed under "Those who cannot learn from history are ..."

57 posted on 09/01/2013 5:30:50 AM PDT by dread78645 (Evolution. A doomed theory since 1859.)
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To: Vinnie

Wow! All in the same year!? I had a high fever with the measles too. I remember my mother tightly wrapping me in blankets and trying to break my fever. It did finally work, but wasn’t pleasant.

We had to travel while I had the measles and remember them covering windows in the back seat to keep the light down. I can’t reMember why the light needed to be lowered, maybe the eyes were light sensitive?


58 posted on 09/01/2013 5:58:56 AM PDT by June2
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To: trebb
While German measles is a bit more dangerous (I had it as a child), mumps/measles/chickenpox seemed to be cause for party time (in the '50s anyway) to get the kids in the neighborhood exposed and over them childhood diseases.

It’s all fun and games and a “party” until someone develops meningitis and dies or nearly dies like my brother did in 1961 as a complication of the mumps (and meningitis and encephalitisis are also complications that can develop from having measles and chicken pox not to mention the danger they pose to pregnant women and their babies).

Let’s see - he spent several days partying in a coma, the doctors told my parents that even if he came out of it that he might have permanent brain damage, his veins started collapsing, organs started shutting down, was given Last Rites. He did recover and eventually fully recovered but that was after a two month hospital say where he had to re-learn to talk and walk and even feed himself because the meningitis left his brain pretty scrambled. He does have fond memories of wheelchair races in the hospital ward and of the tough but kind hospital administrator who was also a Catholic nun, but not so much about spending his summer once he came home, making up the two months of school work he missed so he could move on to the next grade.

I have the photos of my brother before and after and he doesn’t look like the same person. Before – healthy, an athlete, even if a bit on the chubby side, rosy cheeks – after – pale, painfully thin, it took a good year for him to get back to a normal weight and regain muscle strength.

And fortunately even just having the mumps didn’t leave him with permanent hearing damage or sterility which while very rare, can occur.

Of course most kids who get measles, mumps or chicken pox will be sick and miserable for a week or so, but for some, it can be deadly:

Chickenpox – Complications

Measles – Complications

Mumps – Complications

I did recently get a shingles vaccination in hopes I don't have to go through the discomfort in my old age...

Good for you but also good for others as a person with an active shingles outbreak can transmit full blown chicken pox to unimmunized persons.

59 posted on 09/01/2013 6:07:15 AM PDT by MD Expat in PA
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60 posted on 09/01/2013 6:11:19 AM PDT by Jack Hydrazine (IÂ’m not a Republican, I'm a Conservative! Pubbies haven't been conservative since before T.R.)
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