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New Air Force cargo planes fly straight into mothballs
foxnews.com ^ | 10/7/13 | daytondailynews

Posted on 10/07/2013 12:18:03 PM PDT by ColdOne

There's nothing wrong with the C-27J, it's just that the Pentagon doesn't want it given budget constraints.

The Pentagon is sending $50 million cargo planes straight from the assembly line to mothballs because it has no use for them, yet it still hasn’t stopped ordering the aircraft, according to a report.

A dozen nearly new Italian-built C-27J Spartans have been shipped to an Air Force facility in Arizona dubbed “the boneyard,” and five more currently under construction are likely headed for the same fate, according to an investigation by the Dayton Daily News. The Air Force has spent $567 million on 21 of the planes since 2007, according to purchasing officials at Dayton’s Wright-Patterson Air Force Base. Of those, 16 have been delivered – with almost all sent directly to Davis-Monthan Air Force Base in Tucson, where some 4,400 aircraft and 13 aerospace vehicles, with a total value of more than $35 billion, sit unused.

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1 posted on 10/07/2013 12:18:03 PM PDT by ColdOne
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To: ColdOne

Cute looking little things!


2 posted on 10/07/2013 12:20:34 PM PDT by NormsRevenge (Semper Fi)
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To: ColdOne

...looks a lot like the old C-123

3 posted on 10/07/2013 12:20:56 PM PDT by Doogle (USAF.68-73..8th TFW Ubon Thailand..never store a threat you should have eliminated))
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To: Doogle

4 posted on 10/07/2013 12:22:09 PM PDT by Doogle (USAF.68-73..8th TFW Ubon Thailand..never store a threat you should have eliminated))
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To: ColdOne
From the article:

"They are too near completion for a termination to be cost effective and other government agencies have requested the aircraft," Mayer told the paper.(emphasis mine)

I wonder if the boneyard is just a refueling stop on the way to Duh-1's private army somewhere?

5 posted on 10/07/2013 12:22:45 PM PDT by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly. Stand fast. God knows what He is doing.)
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To: ColdOne; Travis McGee; Jeff Head; sukhoi-30mki; U-238
The Pentagon is sending $50 million cargo planes straight from the assembly line to mothballs because it has no use for them, yet it still hasn’t stopped ordering the aircraft, according to a report.

and they say government is not efficient and cost effective. //sarc

6 posted on 10/07/2013 12:26:28 PM PDT by GeronL
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To: ColdOne

Badda Badda Bone


7 posted on 10/07/2013 12:26:32 PM PDT by bunkerhill7
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To: ColdOne
Let me guess...production hasn't stopped so as to prevent major donors to the Rat Party becoming upset?
8 posted on 10/07/2013 12:27:44 PM PDT by Gay State Conservative (Osama Obama Care: A Religion That Will Have You On Your Knees!)
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To: ColdOne

And how’s their stockpile of toilet seats coming along?


9 posted on 10/07/2013 12:29:47 PM PDT by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: Doogle

The old C-123 was what came to mind when I saw the pic too.


10 posted on 10/07/2013 12:30:09 PM PDT by snoringbear (E.oGovernment is the Pimp,)
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To: ColdOne
Under Osama Obama Care tens of millions of trusses,at $925 a piece,will go straight from the factory to the dump...while "ordinary" people (that's you and I,boys and girls) will be waiting 6 months for heart surgery just like they do in Canada and Britain.
11 posted on 10/07/2013 12:31:32 PM PDT by Gay State Conservative (Osama Obama Care: A Religion That Will Have You On Your Knees!)
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To: ColdOne

When I was younger, we would pride ourselves on our capitalist system. Stories like these were the stuff of distant inefficient communist economies, where central command economies following 5-year plans were wasting resources. We were rich, because we were efficient.

We are all Socialists now.


12 posted on 10/07/2013 12:31:53 PM PDT by Pearls Before Swine
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To: Doogle

They just put port holes in the old model.


13 posted on 10/07/2013 12:31:54 PM PDT by mountainlion (Live well for those that did not make it back.)
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To: Gay State Conservative

BUMP

that is what happens in socialism


14 posted on 10/07/2013 12:32:29 PM PDT by GeronL
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To: ColdOne

But..but..but..Pelosie says that there is absolutely NOTHING more to be cut!


15 posted on 10/07/2013 12:33:37 PM PDT by Don Corleone ("Oil the gun..eat the cannoli. Take it to the Mattress.")
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To: ColdOne
"...Italian-built C-27J Spartans...

Too bad...the pilots had just received certification for the onboard expresso machines.

16 posted on 10/07/2013 12:33:53 PM PDT by moovova
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To: Pearls Before Swine

Government / corporate cronyism shouldn’t be confused with capitalism.

We haven’t had capitalism for well over 100 years that hasn’t been tainted by progressives and their socialist puke.


17 posted on 10/07/2013 12:35:24 PM PDT by listenhillary (Courts, law enforcement, roads and national defense should be the extent of government)
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To: ColdOne

Italian? Is this a prop up the Italian economy type of procurement?


18 posted on 10/07/2013 12:35:57 PM PDT by AFreeBird
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To: snoringbear

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e84ZLDo948U

“Thunder Pig”


19 posted on 10/07/2013 12:36:45 PM PDT by Doogle (USAF.68-73..8th TFW Ubon Thailand..never store a threat you should have eliminated))
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To: ColdOne

If they’re Italian, that’s probably the safest place for them.....................


20 posted on 10/07/2013 12:40:21 PM PDT by Red Badger (It is dangerous to be right in matters where established men are wrong. .....Voltaire)
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To: Pearls Before Swine

Yep.


21 posted on 10/07/2013 12:41:54 PM PDT by GeronL
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To: Smokin' Joe

Excellent catch:

DHS? TSA? FBI?

I think one of the first two.


22 posted on 10/07/2013 12:45:13 PM PDT by gaijin
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To: ColdOne

floating fortresses


23 posted on 10/07/2013 12:46:42 PM PDT by tumblindice (America's founding fathers: All armed conservatives.)
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To: ColdOne

Get ‘em now and squirrel them away for later. They’ll still fly just fine.


24 posted on 10/07/2013 12:48:09 PM PDT by PLMerite (Shut the Beyotch Down! Burn, baby, burn!)
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To: GeronL

Nothing new about this, towards the end of World War 2 the military did the same thing, as late as 1948 they were still building and mothballing aircraft, many were flown from the assembly line to the crusher....1000’sas the aircraft companies were given Gov contracts and they couldn’t be canceled mid production.


25 posted on 10/07/2013 12:48:13 PM PDT by dpetty121263
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To: snoringbear

Those C-123’s ought to have been painted yellow. They were the taxi cabs for all us troops in the RVN. Good old bird.


26 posted on 10/07/2013 12:48:36 PM PDT by beelzepug (if any alphabets are watchin', I'll be coming home right after the meetin')
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To: All; ColdOne

The Bone yard, is at Davis-Monthum (DM) AFB, TUCSON AZ.


27 posted on 10/07/2013 12:55:37 PM PDT by SandRat (Duty - Honor - Country! What else needs said?)
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To: ColdOne

Wait, what?

Does Nancy Pelousie know? I thought no more cuts were possible


28 posted on 10/07/2013 1:00:23 PM PDT by muir_redwoods (Don't fire until you see the blue of their helmets)
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To: Red Badger

“If they’re Italian, that’s probably the safest place for them.....................”

You can tell they are Italian because they have hair under the wings and leak oil.


29 posted on 10/07/2013 1:00:44 PM PDT by vette6387 (i)
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To: vette6387

I’m a former FIAT owner so I know wherof I speak...............


30 posted on 10/07/2013 1:04:33 PM PDT by Red Badger (It is dangerous to be right in matters where established men are wrong. .....Voltaire)
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To: Red Badger

“I’m a former FIAT owner so I know wherof I speak...............”

FIAT is short for Fix It Again Tony, or alternatively, Fix It Alla Time!

But then FIAT now owns Ferrari and Lamborghini and they are definitely not in the FIAT category.


31 posted on 10/07/2013 1:07:19 PM PDT by vette6387 (i)
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The Royal Canadian Air Force is eyeing the type as a fixed-wing search and rescue aircraft. Perhaps they can buy them a fire sale prices.

Don’t write off the Italians when it comes to aircraft production. They make some damned fine aircraft.

Cheers...Chris


32 posted on 10/07/2013 1:09:29 PM PDT by Moose47
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To: ColdOne

Very efficient. No operating costs, no repairs before retirement, just straight to the boneyard. Next year they can be chopped up and sold for scrap metal.


33 posted on 10/07/2013 1:10:39 PM PDT by count-your-change (you don't have to be brilliant, not being stupid is enough)
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To: vette6387

I spent more time UNDER my Fiat THAN I DID IN IT.....................


34 posted on 10/07/2013 1:18:11 PM PDT by Red Badger (It is dangerous to be right in matters where established men are wrong. .....Voltaire)
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To: count-your-change

My guess is that there’s a fix in.

The AF will sell them as excess equipment to some Obama contributor for waaaay under costs, like a million or so per copy, so they can start their own cargo hauling company to funnel contributions to the DNC.....................


35 posted on 10/07/2013 1:20:06 PM PDT by Red Badger (It is dangerous to be right in matters where established men are wrong. .....Voltaire)
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To: Red Badger

Donate them to Mexico to ship drugs to the U.S. Eliminate the leaky home built subs and desert backpackers and such.


36 posted on 10/07/2013 1:24:49 PM PDT by count-your-change (you don't have to be brilliant, not being stupid is enough)
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To: ColdOne

They were supposed to go to the Air National Guard, and be use for in-theater cargo transport. The wind down in Iraq killed them off, so they’re going to be sold to either Iraq or Afghanistan, or both.

They have a cockpit almost identical to the C-130J, and use the same engines and props from the C-130J (hence the C-27J name.) They were developed by Alenia Aeronautica and Lockheed Martin, then LockMart backed out of the deal, so Alenia partnered with L3 Communications as the U.S. partner.

Originally, the U.S. Army was going to purchase and operate the C-27J for their own in-theater cargo delivery, but the USAF put up such a stink that the JCA was given to the USAF. Then the USAF turns around and dumps the entire project.

Awesome aircraft and yet another bonehead move by my beloved USAF to ditch them.


37 posted on 10/07/2013 1:36:58 PM PDT by Yo-Yo
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To: dpetty121263

The C-27J is a good little airplane.

What’s going on here is that these aircraft were originally to be bought by the U.S. Army for use as theater tactical lifters to take some strain off of their CH-47 fleet which were having to do all of the heavy lifting. The U.S. Air Force, being the precocious pricks that they are, threw a fit about the Army operating a serious fixed wing air asset so they finagled and got the project assigned to them. Now, the U.S. Air Force does want to do theater tactical and has no plans to actually help the Army so instead of putting these fine airplanes to use they are being stored.

Utter horse$hit.


38 posted on 10/07/2013 1:39:22 PM PDT by FAA
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To: dpetty121263

The C-27J is a good little airplane.

What’s going on here is that these aircraft were originally to be bought by the U.S. Army for use as theater tactical lifters to take some strain off of their CH-47 fleet which were having to do all of the heavy lifting. The U.S. Air Force, being the precocious pricks that they are, threw a fit about the Army operating a serious fixed wing air asset so they finagled and got the project assigned to them. Now, the U.S. Air Force does not want to do theater tactical and has no plans to actually help the Army so instead of putting these fine airplanes to use they are being stored.

Utter horse$hit.


39 posted on 10/07/2013 1:40:13 PM PDT by FAA
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To: Doogle
Good video, but I expected something more spectacular. In the late 1950s I was working on a drone recco program with Texas Instruments and Fairchild. They brought a C-119 down to Addison airport with a complete electronics lab in the hull. At the same time, down the field, Collins Radio was installing some spook equipment in C-130s. One day the Fairchild pilot decided to do a STOL demo with the C-119. I guess he used 1000 feet or so of runway, about the same as the 123 in the video. The same day, one of the C-130s came out and did a real STOL takeoff. That concluded the "airshow" for that day.

A few days later, the C-119 made a very short traffic pattern and came back trailing smoke along with a bit of flame. The Fairchild guys were out the back door before it stopped rolling. A big crane was borrowed from Collins and an engine change got done on the apron in front of the TI hangar.

40 posted on 10/07/2013 1:58:47 PM PDT by 19th LA Inf
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To: zot

Son of C-123 ping


41 posted on 10/07/2013 2:09:19 PM PDT by GreyFriar (Spearhead - 3rd Armored Division 75-78 & 83-87)
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To: count-your-change; All

“Very efficient. No operating costs, no repairs before retirement, just straight to the boneyard. Next year they can be chopped up and sold for scrap metal.”

I have a more efficient idea yet - pay the manufacturers NOT to make aircraft. It is the ultimate in JIT manufacturing. Think how “green” that would be! This is not as crazy as it sounds, we have been doing the same in agriculture for decades, paying farmers not to plant crops.


42 posted on 10/07/2013 2:15:01 PM PDT by TexasRepublic (Socialism is the gospel of envy and the religion of thieves)
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To: Doogle

Form follows function.

I flew in the Provider. Drafty, noisy thing but it could get in and out of short runways.


43 posted on 10/07/2013 2:26:16 PM PDT by SargeK
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US Coast Guard is hoping to get the cast-offs. C-27’s would suit their mission and they are paid for. I think?


44 posted on 10/07/2013 2:26:52 PM PDT by BatGuano (You don't think I'd go into combat with loose change in my pocket, do ya?)
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To: SargeK

..I did the “milk run” in C-130’s (in and out)...they should have given us popcorn when we finally hit the ground and got off.....*grin*..pilots knew we partied the night before.


45 posted on 10/07/2013 2:32:06 PM PDT by Doogle (USAF.68-73..8th TFW Ubon Thailand..never store a threat you should have eliminated))
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To: GreyFriar

Thanks for the ping. I think the Air Force didn’t want this bird in the first place.


46 posted on 10/07/2013 2:41:13 PM PDT by zot
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To: ColdOne

Yeah, since the government has a.) unlimited access to freshly printed money, b.) unlimited access to unlimited borrowing, and c.) unlimited access to your and my bank accounts - why should anyone worry about a few million dollars wasted here or there?


47 posted on 10/07/2013 2:49:49 PM PDT by Arlis (.)
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Actually, IMHO, this report does not speak to the real issues for the C-27 removal. it really had nothing to do with the shutdown and their placement in the boneyard was not a result of it. In fact, it predates it significantly.

Here is a short history of the C-27 bid and how it came to be.

In 2005 the U.S. Army had identified the need to replace the C-23 Sherpa medium lift aircraft. That aircraft’s performance was simply not suited for the hot, high terrain of Southwest Asia. Alenia Aeronautica offered the C-27 into the resulting competition to address this issue.

Lockheed Martin chose to offer the C-130J in 2006 as a contender in the same U.S. Army and U.S. Air Force Joint Cargo Aircraft (JCA) competition. Alenia Aeronautica first paired with L-3 Communications to form the Global Military Aircraft Systems (GMAS) joint venture to market the C-27. Later, Boeing joined Alenia and L-3 Communications as a GMAS team member.

The C-27 completed the U.S. Department of Defense’s Early User Survey evaluations by November 2006, flying 26 hours and surpassing all the JCA program requirements. The GMAS team announced that the C-27 would be assembled at a facility at Cecil Field, Duval County, Florida.

The final selection of the JCA came on 13 June 2007, when the Pentagon selected the C-27 as its Joint Cargo Aircraft. A contract worth US$2.04 billion was awarded to the L-3 Communications team for 78 C-27s along with training and support on 13 June 2007. At that time, the U.S. Army had requirement for up to 75 aircraft in the Army National Guard; the Air Force had a requirement for up to 70 aircraft in the Air Force Special Operations Command and the Air National Guard.

On 22 June 2007, the award of the JCA contract to the Alenia C-27 was formally protested. On 27 September 2007, the GAO announced that it had denied the protest, thereby allowing the Pentagon to go ahead with the C-27 procurement. The first flight of a U.S. C-27 occurred on 17 June 2008. The United States military officially received its first C-27 on 25 September 2008...over five years ago. In September 2008 L-3 Link officially began classes at the Georgia Army National Guard Flight Facility, Robins Air Force Base, Georgia for C-27 training. In April 2009, the U.S. Army had accepted deliveries of two aircraft and had 11 more on order. A proposal in May 2009 was made to have the U.S. Army/Army National Guard relinquish all of its aircraft to the U.S. Air Force, primarily the Air National Guard, with a reduction to 38 aircraft. This led the DoD to give total control of the US’s C-27Js to the USAF in December 2009.

By July 2010, the U.S. Air National Guard had received four C-27s and began using them for testing and training. The purchase of all 38 Spartans was anticipated with initial operational capability expected by October 2010. The U.S. Air Force planned the C-27’s first combat deployment for summer 2011.

In August 2011, two C-27 aircraft flown by Air National Guard personnel began operations at Kandahar Air Field, Afghanistan. From August to December 2011, the C-27s of the 179th Airlift Wing transported some 400 tons of cargo, and over 6,900 passengers in more than 900 missions.

However, and nonetheless, by early 2012, the USAF moved to cancel the program entirely. On 26 January 2012, the U.S. Department of Defense announced plans to remove all 38 C-27s on order from the U.S. Air Force’s inventory because it was determined that over the long haul, their niche capabilities would too expensive. It was announced that the C-27’s duties were to be taken by the U.S. Air Force’s C-130s.

In February 2012, Alenia warned that it would not provide support for C-27s resold by the United States.

Then, in March 2012, it was reported that the U.S. Coast Guard was considering taking over the aircraft from the U.S. Air Force.

On 23 March 2012, the U.S. Air Force announced that it would cut all C-27s from its inventory in fiscal year 2013 after determining that its per-aircraft lifecycle costs are higher than those of C-130J aircraft performing the same combat resupply mission. In July 2012 the entire fleet was grounded due to a flight control system failure.

By early 2013, the USAF was continuing to shut down the program. At that time, over 9 months ago, newly built C-27Js were being sent directly to the Davis–Monthan Air Force Base boneyard. This was to make room for C-130s. The Coast Guard and other civil, or allied services will be able to bid on and take up these aircraft as desired.

So, the shutdown had nothing to do with this...it had been started almost a year ago for the reasons listed. Overall life time costs, maintenance costs, the C-130J being able to do the mission, etc. Now the C-27s are available for other departments (like the Coast Guard) or allies to pick them up and use them.


48 posted on 10/07/2013 3:19:23 PM PDT by Jeff Head
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To: ColdOne

Does anyone remember the VH-71?


49 posted on 10/07/2013 3:32:08 PM PDT by Garvin (When it comes to my freedom, there will be no debate. There will be a fight)
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To: Jeff Head

I didn’t think this had to do with the shutdown, i blamed general government inefficiency. Thanks for the post


50 posted on 10/07/2013 3:41:34 PM PDT by GeronL
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