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To: Windflier

We Americans really have nothing left to lose by starting a third party that represents conservatives. This is not Ronald Reagan’s republican party (even though there were moderates in the party back then). The republican “moderates” today are about where Clinton stood in the 1990s. They’ve moved left.

We have much more to gain than to lose. Even before this shutdown many of us knew that the republicans would likely lose the House thanks to Boehner.

What we need is a gang of many in the House & Senate to tell the GOPe that if WE do not get what we want we will LEAVE THE PARTY now. If they want Nancy Pelosi to be the leader so be it. I mean, how much worse can it really be without Boehner.

Remember how Joe Lieberman made such a threat to switch to independent when it was just one or two democratic senators from losing the majority? They listened to him and were careful not to cause him to leave the party. He had quite the power for some time.


60 posted on 10/12/2013 4:38:57 PM PDT by tsowellfan (www.cafenetamerica.com)
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To: tsowellfan

“We Americans really have nothing left to lose by starting a third party that represents conservatives.”

Not unless you care about all your other states looking like California.

Just compare California to Idaho. See the difference?


65 posted on 10/12/2013 5:21:18 PM PDT by 1035rep
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To: tsowellfan
What we need is a gang of many in the House & Senate to tell the GOPe that if WE do not get what we want we will LEAVE THE PARTY now.

Might work, ala Joe Lieberman, but the TEApublicans might not even have to register such a threat to the establishment to take over.

Ted Cruz is displaying the sort of rare courage that energizes and mobilizes whole movements. As long as he and his fellow patriots in Congress hold firm in their convictions, their numbers will increase, whether they lose a battle here, or a battle there.

Given the palpable sense of rebellion all across the right, I think we could see a fundamental shift in the direction of the party in the next elections. I don't think for a minute that we'll achieve a purified Republican party by 2014, but I do think the momentum toward that goal will be visible and unstoppable by that time.

The people are onto the quisling GOP-e, and won't rest until they have real representation in their government. No matter what it takes.

68 posted on 10/12/2013 5:52:30 PM PDT by Windflier (To anger a conservative, tell him a lie. To anger a liberal, tell him the truth.)
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To: tsowellfan

“Even before this shutdown many of us knew that the republicans would likely lose the House thanks to Boehner.”

You’re speaking a truth that few dare utter here: the gop is not winning.

Here in VA we have a notsohotso situation developing. We have a really great slate of candidates running on the gop statewide ticket. I mean just unusually good. And with the possible exception of one (Obenshain -AG), they’re not winning. Ken Cuccinelli is down 6-10 depending on the poll and E.W. Jackson is about the same. The kicker is that for the gubernatorial race, the libertarian who is a complete unknown is getting in the 10-12% range.

About the only saving grace for conservatives is that the state Senate isn’t up for election this year as well.


77 posted on 10/12/2013 6:59:35 PM PDT by RKBA Democrat (Power disintegrates when people withdraw their obedience and support)
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