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To: pfony1

With all due respect, what other outcome did you expect? Hoping a “miracle” will occur is NEVER a winning strategy.

Was Obama EVER going to permit ObamaCare to be “defunded”? No matter how much “keeping” ObamaCare costs America?

Has Obama EVER cared MORE about America’s economy than Tea Party Patriots do? Once we agreed that this FAKE “crisis” was “real”, we were doomed to lose the fight, because Obama simply DOES NOT CARE ABOUT AMERICA.

Patriots CAN win the next round, but only if we CHOOSE our battles carefully, and prepare for those battles IN ADVANCE.

I’d like to see Republicans demand that negotiations start NOW regarding the NEXT authorization of a debt increase — with one key difference.

This time, if Obama can not be bothered to negotiate before the “crisis” hits, Republicans need to place an empty throne-like chair in their meeting room and refer to that empty chair as Obama-the-Missing...


So you are saying the House GOP does not have a right to demand changes to kenyancare? Are you a Democrat? Do we live in a Constitional Republic or fascist state?

The fact that if the GOP won’t fight an engaged battle now, they won’t fight one later. It’s that simple. Dems always fight. The GOP gets the best deal they can for their donors and moves on to the next cocktail party.

Boehner & McConnell never wanted this debate and stabbed conservatives in the back the entire way. There NEVER was a real battle over Obamacare in the CR. Now you beltway GOP apologists OWN OBAMACARE. Enjoy your tar baby.


180 posted on 10/16/2013 7:51:06 AM PDT by lodi90
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To: lodi90
Now you beltway GOP apologists OWN OBAMACARE. Enjoy your tar baby

How I wish that would happen but of course it won't. They have exempted themselves from the requirements of the "tar baby" healthcare bill.

(They of course loudly "demanded" that the exemption be removed, just as they loudly crow about their "commitment to de-fund" kenyancare yet, in the end, vote against themselves ... as well as against their constitutents, but only as an afterthought if they think about what they've done at all.)

186 posted on 10/16/2013 8:01:13 AM PDT by glennaro
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To: lodi90

Hmmmm.....?

What is this Constitutional “...right to DEMAND changes...” to which you refer?

Our Constitution assumes that votes on complex issues will be preceded by negotiations, but there is no Constitutional requirement for our legislature to “negotiate” in good faith. Or otherwise. How could there be?

I am very interested to learn what you mean by your phrase “...won’t fight an engaged battle...” and your phrase “There NEVER was a real battle over Obamacare in the CR.”

By the phrases “...battle...” and “...real battle...” do you mean something PHYSICAL, like the pushing, shoving and punching we see on film-clips from other countrys’ legislatures?

Or do you want to see duels at 20 paces in the Capitol Building? I should hope not.

However, if you REALLY meant to say, “...won’t fight back, using the Alinsky-tactics that the Democrats have mastered: demonizing, isolating, lying, denying, smearing, diverting, etc....”, then you and I are not far apart.

I believe the Tea Party can not save America if we send ill-equipped troops into “battle” with the Democrats. Our spokesmen must be quick on their feet with relevant statistics and entertaining “sound-bites” on the tips of their tongues.

For example, we know that Senator Cruz is a brilliant debater and that Senate Minority Leader McConnell is not. It follows that Senator Cruz would be the better “face” and “voice” of Senate Republicans. It follows that Senator Cruz should be in the public eye AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE as we approach the next fake ObamaCrisis. Let’s encourage that!

Finally, everyone knows that Democrats really want to demoralize Tea Party patriots before the 2014 elections, because their vote-suppression tactics appear to have worked so well in the 2012 election.

And here we find you, posting on FR, apparently joining in the effort to demoralize Tea Party patriots before the 2014 election. Here you are, helping the Democrats destroy America.

Just sayin’.


248 posted on 10/16/2013 8:58:30 AM PDT by pfony1
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