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To: lodi90

Hmmmm.....?

What is this Constitutional “...right to DEMAND changes...” to which you refer?

Our Constitution assumes that votes on complex issues will be preceded by negotiations, but there is no Constitutional requirement for our legislature to “negotiate” in good faith. Or otherwise. How could there be?

I am very interested to learn what you mean by your phrase “...won’t fight an engaged battle...” and your phrase “There NEVER was a real battle over Obamacare in the CR.”

By the phrases “...battle...” and “...real battle...” do you mean something PHYSICAL, like the pushing, shoving and punching we see on film-clips from other countrys’ legislatures?

Or do you want to see duels at 20 paces in the Capitol Building? I should hope not.

However, if you REALLY meant to say, “...won’t fight back, using the Alinsky-tactics that the Democrats have mastered: demonizing, isolating, lying, denying, smearing, diverting, etc....”, then you and I are not far apart.

I believe the Tea Party can not save America if we send ill-equipped troops into “battle” with the Democrats. Our spokesmen must be quick on their feet with relevant statistics and entertaining “sound-bites” on the tips of their tongues.

For example, we know that Senator Cruz is a brilliant debater and that Senate Minority Leader McConnell is not. It follows that Senator Cruz would be the better “face” and “voice” of Senate Republicans. It follows that Senator Cruz should be in the public eye AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE as we approach the next fake ObamaCrisis. Let’s encourage that!

Finally, everyone knows that Democrats really want to demoralize Tea Party patriots before the 2014 elections, because their vote-suppression tactics appear to have worked so well in the 2012 election.

And here we find you, posting on FR, apparently joining in the effort to demoralize Tea Party patriots before the 2014 election. Here you are, helping the Democrats destroy America.

Just sayin’.


248 posted on 10/16/2013 8:58:30 AM PDT by pfony1
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To: pfony1
It follows that Senator Cruz should be in the public eye AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE as we approach the next fake ObamaCrisis.

Don't think Cruz has any intention of retreating.

[Oct. 15, 2013] Sen. Ted Cruz tells Huntsville GOP group IRS should be abolished, Obamacare is 'job killer'

[VIDEO] Cruz blasts Obama during speech to Huntsville group

252 posted on 10/16/2013 9:12:16 AM PDT by thouworm (Harry Reid: 'We Support the Federal government. That's Our Job. That's What We Do.')
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To: pfony1

Our Constitution assumes that votes on complex issues will be preceded by negotiations, but there is no Constitutional requirement for our legislature to “negotiate” in good faith. Or otherwise. How could there be?

I am very interested to learn what you mean by your phrase “...won’t fight an engaged battle...” and your phrase “There NEVER was a real battle over Obamacare in the CR.”


I am referring to political battles. McConnell preemptively surrender on cloture and dumped everything on the House. Boehner passed some bills but he did not keep his troops in line or focus his message on the Dems until it was too late. POTUS threatened default several times. Boehner did NOTHING.

I expect the GOP to fight like Dems for our constitutional rights. That means smacking Reid over the head with the Vitter amendment until he cries uncle. That means actually fighting for an individual mandate delay in any deal. Asking for it in negotiations and going radio silent isn’t good enough. That’s not fighting to win. If the Dems refuse then smack them with some populism relentlessly. Lip service isn’t good enough.

Obama sold the ACA as a $900 billion program. It’s now $1.8 trillion or whatever. The House has every right to put the breaks on a program that grossly over budget. They had/have no intention of doing so.


268 posted on 10/16/2013 10:07:33 AM PDT by lodi90
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