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Obamacare Side Effect Doctors Abandon the Health Care Insurance System Altogether
Acting Man ^ | 10-23-13 | Pater Tenebrarum

Posted on 10/24/2013 1:30:22 PM PDT by RKBA Democrat

Free Market Alert!

Many medical practitioners have apparently simply had enough. Instead of continuing their never-ending struggle with the welfare state's red tape, they have decided to revert to a free market model without insurance. At first glance that seems to represent a barrier to obtaining medical care for poorer strata of the population. However, a second glance reveals that this might actually not be the case. No doubt to the great dismay of the sick-care cartel and the bureaucracy administering it, the refreshing breeze of the free market suddenly intruding upon the system shows what prices actually would be if the State were not involved in health care. According to a recent report on the spreading 'cash only' medical care phenomenon:

“Fed up with declining payments and rising red tape, a small but growing number of doctors are opting out of the insurance system completely. They’re expecting patients to pony up with cash. Some doctors who have gone that route love it, saying they can spend more time with and provide higher-quality care to their patients. Health advocates are skeptical, worrying that only the wealthy will benefit from this system.

In Wichita, Kansas, 32-year old family physician Doug Nunamaker switched to a cash-only basis in 2010 after taking insurance for five years. (“Cash-only” is a loose description. Nunamaker accepts payment by debit or credit card too.)

Under the traditional health insurance system, a large staff was required just to navigate all the paperwork, he said. That resulted in high overhead, forcing doctors like Nunamaker to take on more patients to cover costs. Plus, the amount insurance companies were willing to pay for procedures was declining, leading to a vicious cycle. “The paperwork, the hassles, it just got to be overwhelming,” Nunamaker said. “We knew that we had to find a better way to practice.”

So Nunamaker and his partner set up a membership-based practice called Atlas M.D. — a nod to free-market champion Ayn Rand’s book Atlas Shrugged. Under the membership plan — also known as “concierge” medicine — each patient pays a flat monthly fee to have unlimited access to the doctors and any service they can provide in the office, such as EKGs or stitches.

The fee varies depending on age. For kids, it’s $10 a month. For adults up to age 44, it’s $50 a month. Senior citizens pay $100.

The office has negotiated deals for services outside the office. By cutting out the middleman, Nunamaker said he can get a cholesterol test done for $3, versus the $90 the lab company he works with once billed to insurance carriers. An MRI can be had for $400, compared to a typical billed rate of $2,000 or more.

Kevin Petersen, a Las Vegas-based general surgeon, stopped taking insurance in 2005. Petersen named the same reasons as Nunamaker: too much paperwork and overhead, declining payments from insurance companies, and a general loss of control. “The insurance industry took over my practice,” he said. “They were telling me what procedures I could do, who I could treat — I basically became their employee.”

Now Petersen does hernia operations for $5,000 a pop, which includes anesthesia, operating room time and follow-up visits. He negotiates special rates for the anesthesiologist and the operating room, and is able to provide the service for about a third of what a patient might pay otherwise.

Many of his patients are early retirees who are not yet eligible for Medicare but can’t afford a full-fledged health insurance plan, he said, and business is booming. “My practice at this point is the best it’s been in my 26-year career,” he said. “By far.”

While the cash-only model may please doctors, some question whether it’s good for middle- and low-income people. Kathleen Stoll, director of health policy at the consumer advocacy group Families U.S.A., didn’t want to speak directly to either Petersen’s or Nunamaker’s practice, as she didn’t know the specifics of each.

But in general, she fears that doctors who switch to a cash-only model will drive away the patients who can’t afford a monthly membership fee or thousands of dollars for an operation. “They cherry-pick among their patient population to serve only the wealthier ones,” Stoll said. “It certainly creates a barrier to care.”

Obviously, both the named and unnamed 'health advocates' and worriers have it completely wrong. People who don't have to pay thousands of dollars for health insurance actually can afford 'thousands of dollars for an operation' that costs only one third of what it would otherwise cost. It is not only the wealthy who can afford this free market care (besides, people who don't want it have the option to continue with the existing system).

Look at those prices! A cholesterol test for “$3 instead of $90” – that is more than 96% less! An MRI for $400 instead of “$2,000 or more” (usually will be 'or more')? Not to mention the fact that these doctors now have more time to actually care for their patients properly. What's not to like?

A Win-Win By Mistake?

Imagine for a moment what might happen if the government were to get out of healthcare altogether and there would be free competition between all health care service providers. What would happen to prices in that case? It is probably fair to assume that they would come down precipitously even from the low prices free market doctors are already able to obtain for their patients nowadays.

It is actually a good bet that the onerous red tape and the likely explosion in costs due to Obamacare will accelerate the move toward a free market in health care – unless the government explicitly forbids it, that is (unfortunately we cannot rule out completely that such tyrannical steps will eventually be taken – the government generally doesn't like it when its 'help' is refused).

If so, the Obamacare Act could turn out to become a win-win by mistake so to speak, as more and more people decide to opt out of the system. It seems clear that the free market solution is preferable to the cartelized health care system imposed by government and the lobbyists that have co-written the laws. The doctors portrayed in the article above are leading by example, and we expect their ranks to swell in coming years.

Addendum: Somewhat Staged Looking Fainting Spell During Obamacare Speech

During a speech promising that the totally botched web implementation of the Unaffordable Care Act will one day actually be fixed, a pregnant (and diabetic as it later turned out) woman standing behind the president faints and is caught by him 'just in time'. Apparently, the president has eyes at the back of his head too.


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Extended News; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: obamacaredefrauds; obamacaredoctors; obamacarelies; survivingsocialism
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1 posted on 10/24/2013 1:30:22 PM PDT by RKBA Democrat
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2 posted on 10/24/2013 1:31:27 PM PDT by RKBA Democrat (Power disintegrates when people withdraw their obedience and support)
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To: RKBA Democrat

Bookmarked.


3 posted on 10/24/2013 1:31:36 PM PDT by Graewoulf (Traitor John Roberts' Marxist Obama'care' Insurance violates U.S. Constitution AND Anti-Trust Law.)
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To: RKBA Democrat

If the libs remain in power and ObamaCare continues, I would fully expect follow-on legislation to make it illegal for a doctor or hospital to refuse ObamaCare-covered patients, or make it illegal to operate out of the ObamaCare envelope.


4 posted on 10/24/2013 1:32:44 PM PDT by AzSteven ("War is less costly than servitude, the choice is always between Verdun and Dachau." Jean Dutourd)
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To: RKBA Democrat

So - ironies of ironies - could Obamacare actually result in the greatest healthcare system ever by forcing a free-market medical system?


5 posted on 10/24/2013 1:32:54 PM PDT by fwdude ( You cannot compromise with that which you must defeat.)
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To: RKBA Democrat

I guarantee you that medical treatment outside of Big Gov’s purview will be illegal inside of 10 years. And that may be an optimistic estimate.


6 posted on 10/24/2013 1:33:40 PM PDT by workerbee (The President of the United States is DOMESTIC ENEMY #1)
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To: RKBA Democrat

Go somewhere, get a service, pay for it, leave...what a concept!


7 posted on 10/24/2013 1:33:43 PM PDT by cotton1706
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To: RKBA Democrat

No problem - just hire them from India, Africa and the Caribbean. There are lots of them here now, all grads of medical schools in those places. This going to be great!! (sarc)


8 posted on 10/24/2013 1:35:05 PM PDT by elpadre (AfganistaMr Obama said the goal was to "disrupt, dismantle and defeat al-hereQaeda" and its allies.)
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To: AzSteven

I agree, if we don’t stamp out ObozoCare this year it’s only a matter of time before accepting Affordable Healthcare and Medicare/Medicaid patients becomes a requirement for medical professionals to remain licensed.


9 posted on 10/24/2013 1:35:43 PM PDT by Junk Silver
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To: workerbee

With Hillarycare, it already was in the law that it was illegal to get or provide care outside the system.

This one has enough loopholes to get around it for a while.

Direct pay and signing up with Christian healthsharing looks like the best route for now. Basically, you’re at <$400 per month “share” with a $300 per incident deductible.


10 posted on 10/24/2013 1:35:45 PM PDT by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter admits whom he's working for)
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To: cotton1706

And, I know my doctors are giving a big discount for those paying without having to fill out insurance forms. Just ask your doctor, most do it now.


11 posted on 10/24/2013 1:36:41 PM PDT by BunnySlippers (I LOVE BULL MARKETS . . .)
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To: RKBA Democrat

My GP (and his wife who is a PA) retired early a couple of years ago and sold his practice. He didn’t want to deal with Obamacare. It was a hassel for me, but I understood and agreed with his decision.

I can imagine that operating on a cash only basis would appeal to him since he was fed up with paperwork.


12 posted on 10/24/2013 1:38:14 PM PDT by Starboard
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To: AzSteven

Bank on it. They will have to pass such a law. Constitution? We don’t need no steenkin’ Constitution!


13 posted on 10/24/2013 1:38:33 PM PDT by Obadiah (I Like Ted.)
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To: BunnySlippers

Thanks for the tip. My doc might just agree to something like this.


14 posted on 10/24/2013 1:39:11 PM PDT by Starboard
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To: RKBA Democrat
Health advocates are skeptical, worrying that only the wealthy will benefit from this system.

YOU created the system that incentivizes these guys to deal rationally with their customers. So if this trend hurts the poor, it can only be because YOU hate them!! Why do you hate poor people?

15 posted on 10/24/2013 1:39:51 PM PDT by Still Thinking (Freedom is NOT a loophole!)
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To: AzSteven

No doubt the regime will try to stop this. My husband’s specialist contacted him a few months ago because he did just that. He offered it to select patients and their spouses. My husband signed up with him and now has concierge medicine. It costs more per year than he was paying for office visits, but he didn’t want to lose his specialist who is a leader in his field. I’m staying with my current doctors for now because I don’t require the specialty of my husbands Dr. and use Medical Dr’s who cross with holistic and oriental medicine.


16 posted on 10/24/2013 1:41:55 PM PDT by No Socialist
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To: RKBA Democrat
While the cash-only model may please doctors, some question whether it’s good for middle- and low-income people.

While this system will actually be BETTER for them (since they're humans), if it did hurt them, so what?? Many of them voted for evil fascists like Osama and cheered when he stole freedom and money from the rest of us with OsamaScare, so how do they not DESERVE to suffer?

17 posted on 10/24/2013 1:43:19 PM PDT by Still Thinking (Freedom is NOT a loophole!)
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To: AzSteven

In Canada it’s called The Canada Health Care act. It was passed after medicare had been in place for a few years. It made it illegal for doctors to bill directly if they saw even one medicare patient. It was passed because all the doctors were setting up side practices,


18 posted on 10/24/2013 1:43:21 PM PDT by BillM (.)
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To: RKBA Democrat

They will be squashed. They did not build their practices.


19 posted on 10/24/2013 1:43:51 PM PDT by Mike Darancette (Do The Math)
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To: AzSteven

“I would fully expect follow-on legislation to make it illegal for a doctor or hospital to refuse ObamaCare-covered patients, or make it illegal to operate out of the ObamaCare envelope.”

It’ll be worse than that. In high school, students will be tested and their careers will be dictated. Some WILL be State-”owned” doctors and they’ll practice medicine or be deal with harshly. It’s what (other) commie countries do, whether to choose Olympians, or other careers, in order to make the State operate.


20 posted on 10/24/2013 1:46:05 PM PDT by MayflowerMadam ("A hyphenated American is not an American at all." Teddy Roosevelt)
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