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A year after Romney loss, GOP woes run even deeper (o noes 4 woes)
Associated Press ^ | Oct 28, 2013 11:12 AM EDT | Charles Babington

Posted on 10/28/2013 8:37:22 AM PDT by Olog-hai

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To: Olog-hai

Pretty amazing to see the Tea Party go from a bunch
of unallied citizens to the ideological wing of the
Republican party in such a short time!

Hahahaha. RINOs OUT!
In 2014 we take over the party.
In 2016 the country.


21 posted on 10/28/2013 9:35:20 AM PDT by tet68 ( " We would not die in that man's company, that fears his fellowship to die with us...." Henry V.)
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To: Trapped Behind Enemy Lines
Wrong. The states (NOT the feds) CAN and DO mandate we purchase insurance. Here in CA where I live and every other state I have ever lived in, the STATES CAN and DO require drivers to obtain auto insurance. If they can do that with auto insurance, they can do that with health insurance. People do NOT have the right to walk into a hospital, receive care and treatment and leave the taxpayers stuck with the bill.

Feds, States Rights, County Rights, City Rights etc., implementing any form of Socialism is just plain wrong, and evil.

Don't try advocating for it here on Freerepublic, you'll get your head handed to you.
22 posted on 10/28/2013 9:35:23 AM PDT by SoConPubbie (Mitt and Obama: They're the same poison, just a different potency)
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To: Trapped Behind Enemy Lines

You are parroting a liberal talking point.

You are not REQUIRED to buy auto insurance. You may ride a bike (as I do), walk, live in the mountains and ride a horse, take public transportation, etc.

You MUST buy 0bamaCare approved insurance as a matter of breathing.

Contracting in a non-approved manner for your healthcare is now VERBOTEN.

What contract for commercial services will they demand you sign next? Buying a bushel of purple broccoli every Tuesday on pain of imprisonment? How would that be substantively different than 0bamaCare?

I’m 30 seconds from getting you zotted as a lib. Prove me wrong.


23 posted on 10/28/2013 9:36:27 AM PDT by Uncle Miltie ( "I was all for Obamacare, until I found out I was paying for it." - California Girl)
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To: Olog-hai; Trapped Behind Enemy Lines
I don’t see socialism as part of states’ rights either. Note TEEL’s “states’ rights” false argument.

Yes, sadly, we have too many people claiming to be conservatives using the "states' rights" argument to cover all kinds of EVIL policy positions, including Gay Marriage, Abortion, and Socialism.

As if throwing up the 10th Amendment, outside the Christian Framework that the founders intended for this country, somehow, magically, removes the offensive nature of the EVIL policy position.
24 posted on 10/28/2013 9:37:53 AM PDT by SoConPubbie (Mitt and Obama: They're the same poison, just a different potency)
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To: meadsjn

One could argue that the Democrats have STRUCTURAL advantages over the Republican Party. Only once since 1992 have the Republicans one the popular vote in a presidential election (2004). I do agree the Dems cheat extensively. Because the Dem vote is EXTREMELY concentrated in one-party urban areas, they have ample opportunities pad their vote and engage in other forms of voter fraud. That all said, it is changing DEMOGRAPHICS that is giving the Dems their biggest advantage. Romney won close to 60% of the white vote in 2012, but was annihilated among the nonwhite vote-—primarily blacks, hispanics, and Asians. If you could somehow factor out Jewish, gay, and union voters from the white voting base, Republicans typically get anywhere from 65 to 75% of the white vote in any given presidential election. It used to be you could predict the outcome of presidential election on “the economy, stupid” to quote a well known Democrat strategist. No more. With the decreasing size of the white vote and the increasing number of people dependent on government programs as well as the decreasing number of taxpayers-—fully 90 million working age Americans don’t even work anymore——we can now say it’s the demographics, and the dependency, stupid.


25 posted on 10/28/2013 9:41:40 AM PDT by Trapped Behind Enemy Lines
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To: meadsjn

Business thrives, capitalism thrives, in a Constitutional Republic.

Why these people won’t give up their failing greed, using their capital to manipulate and ruin a functioning system has to do with a non intelligent behavior model.

When you list all the fence-sitting republicans and how much struggle they caused, it is clear to anyone paying attention.

You are right. And the GOPe doesn’t see it. They lie to themselves. They think they can continue fooling people into pretending they are not leading a double purpose.

But they can’t serve unhealthy greedy tangential interpretation of capitalism while only saying that the are for particular or any aspects of the Constitution.

The gig is up.

The emotional reaction to all of their failure, neglect and fraternization with the opposition is not taken into account.

The answer to the problem is so simple that whoever takes it on will have success and will confound to the point of anger (to put it mildly) all these guys who are not in it for the right reasons.


26 posted on 10/28/2013 9:41:52 AM PDT by stanne
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To: Olog-hai
It's kind of weird. The RNC-RINOs wanted the hispanic vote, so they said. Ted Cruz just handed them the Cuban vote and the vote of like-minded successful, educated, and intelligent hispanics. Only those hispanics are conservative. So now the RNC doesn't want that vote so much?

Ted Cruz would win the presidency in 2016...as a conservative. hillary is old and has Benghazi baggage. So what's the problem with the RNC?....don't they want to win?

27 posted on 10/28/2013 9:43:22 AM PDT by grania
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To: grania
Ted Cruz would win the presidency in 2016...as a conservative. hillary is old and has Benghazi baggage. So what's the problem with the RNC?....don't they want to win?

No, they want to protect their power and privilege and their Corporate special interests that provide the large Campaign contributions.

Those same Corporate Special Interests are continually looking for ways to game the system using the legal system and their bought and paid for politians, hence their push for cheap, reliable labor in the form of Amnesty, and their push for Obamacare, which unloads the cost of providing Health Insurance for their employees.
28 posted on 10/28/2013 9:46:15 AM PDT by SoConPubbie (Mitt and Obama: They're the same poison, just a different potency)
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To: jimfree

And the WHITEWASH HOUSE run by THE FOREIGNER is just rolling along perfectly. AP sucks as much as REUTERS and the rest of the frauds in the MSM and have ZERO CREDIBILITY.


29 posted on 10/28/2013 9:46:53 AM PDT by spawn44 (moo)
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To: grania

They had no problem soliciting it in 2010. But all it seems to have done was to entrench RINOs and add new RINOs to the ranks, so now it’s back to business as usual while backing up the POTUS’ agenda.


30 posted on 10/28/2013 9:48:01 AM PDT by Olog-hai
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To: Uncle Miltie

In light of that last series of posts, TEEL’s handle now takes on a certain meaning.


31 posted on 10/28/2013 9:49:40 AM PDT by Olog-hai
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To: Uncle Miltie

Under the the 10th Amendment, nearly all powers in this country-—except those spelled out in the US Constitution-—were allocated to the STATES. Let’s say, for example, the state of Vermont wanted to implement its own single payer (government run) health plan-—like they have in Canada. They could that if they wanted to. I would not like it all. But states do have the power to mandate and regulate health care, the federal government has no such power.


32 posted on 10/28/2013 9:53:12 AM PDT by Trapped Behind Enemy Lines
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To: Trapped Behind Enemy Lines

So let’s get this straight:

Are you in favor of Socialized healthcare, as implemented by either Romney or 0bama?

This is a “Yes” or “No” question. Please advise.


33 posted on 10/28/2013 10:02:19 AM PDT by Uncle Miltie ( "I was all for Obamacare, until I found out I was paying for it." - California Girl)
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To: Trapped Behind Enemy Lines

I note that you have not refuted the fact that Romney’s people used RomneyCare as the pattern with which to train 0bama’s people how to implement Socialized Healthcare in 0bamaCare.


34 posted on 10/28/2013 10:05:02 AM PDT by Uncle Miltie ( "I was all for Obamacare, until I found out I was paying for it." - California Girl)
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To: Olog-hai

I hope they continue to ignore public opinion and do what is right. The right thing is not always the most polular.


35 posted on 10/28/2013 10:08:36 AM PDT by pas
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To: Uncle Miltie

Romney’s plan applied to one state. It did not raise taxes. It did not increase the size of government. It used funds ALREADY allocated to to the state of MA to help lower income people purchase private health insurance as opposed to using Medicaid AFTER they got sick and needed to go to the hospital. It worked in a relatively small state with a low percentage og uninsured. It could never work in my state of CA where we have huge numbers of uninsured plus kazillions of illegals. I do not view Romneycare as being very different from the laws most states have requiring auto drivers to purchase auto insurance.


36 posted on 10/28/2013 10:12:04 AM PDT by Trapped Behind Enemy Lines
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To: Trapped Behind Enemy Lines; Admin Moderator

Admin Moderator:

Please judge whether an unwillingness to repudiate 0bamaCare above qualifies one for the Zot.


37 posted on 10/28/2013 10:13:58 AM PDT by Uncle Miltie ( "I was all for Obamacare, until I found out I was paying for it." - California Girl)
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To: Trapped Behind Enemy Lines; Uncle Miltie
Romney’s plan applied to one state. It did not raise taxes. It did not increase the size of government. It used funds ALREADY allocated to to the state of MA to help lower income people purchase private health insurance as opposed to using Medicaid AFTER they got sick and needed to go to the hospital. It worked in a relatively small state with a low percentage og uninsured. It could never work in my state of CA where we have huge numbers of uninsured plus kazillions of illegals. I do not view Romneycare as being very different from the laws most states have requiring auto drivers to purchase auto insurance.

Still dodging the FACT that whether it is called Obamacare or RomneyCare, it is STILL Socialism.
38 posted on 10/28/2013 10:19:53 AM PDT by SoConPubbie (Mitt and Obama: They're the same poison, just a different potency)
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To: Uncle Miltie

I hate obamacare with every fiber in my being. I am pointing out that it has little do with Romneycare. Once again here the VERY BIG differences betwenn Romneycare and Obamacare:

1) Romneycare applied to one state. Obamacare is forced on all 50 states.

2) Romneycare did not raise one penny in new taxes. Obamacare has many-—at least 20-—brand new taxes.

3) Romneycare did cause any NEW spending, it used funds ALREADY allocated to the state through Medicaid-—approved by the GWB Administration. Obamacare will cost trillions in new spending.

These are BIG, HUGE differences between Romneycare and Obamacare. Romneycare only impacted the 8% of the people in MA, who were uninsured, many gaming the system and leaving the taxpayers to cover their bills.

I don’t have a liberal bone in my body. And yet you are trying to silence me. Jeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeesh!


39 posted on 10/28/2013 10:22:30 AM PDT by Trapped Behind Enemy Lines
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To: Trapped Behind Enemy Lines

The Tenth Amendment does not contravene Article 4 Section 4, nor does it give the states “nearly all powers”—certainly not any power to turn from republican governance to socialist.


40 posted on 10/28/2013 10:22:56 AM PDT by Olog-hai
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