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1 posted on 11/10/2013 6:59:46 AM PST by Hojczyk
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If you have to pass it to find out what’s in it it is a stool sample.


2 posted on 11/10/2013 7:02:24 AM PST by logic101.net (How many more children must die on the altar of "gun free zones"?)
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So all they have to do is sign up for coverage every time something really bad happens and then cancel. The only risk is if they get another really bad problem before the next open enrollment period. If nothing else Obamacare will teach people how to be risk managers.


3 posted on 11/10/2013 7:03:58 AM PST by Bernard (The Road To Hell is not paved with good results.)
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“It will help break the system,” said Rep. Louie Gohmert, R-Texas

THAT'S THE WHOLE POINT OF THE THING.

In fact, everything - and I mean EVERYTHING - that the Executive Branch is doing now, and for the foreseeable future, is just to burn bridges to the past. The individual insurance market is already ruined, and cannot be revived unless the PPACA is repealed in the next 6 weeks. The reason the ruination of the employer-provided insurance market was delayed a year was to get through the elections in 2014 without a revolt. By January 2015, it will be impossible to resurrect group insurance without the Obamacare income transfers (which are massive - costs to a family of 4 may be in excess of $20 000/year).

I wrote the following in October 2010:

Naturally, the law popularly known as "Obamacare" is having a destructive effect on our existing health care system, since it was designed to destroy it. It is functioning exactly as intended.

The first effect, already apparent, is to cause all private investment in future projects, from hospital construction to industrial design, from drug development to conceptual research, to cease. In the eyes of Obamunists, this is a good thing, because all of that private investment is seeking "profit", and since white man's greed runs a world in need, profit must be abolished.

The drying up of investment is producing the predictable, second effect, which is to decrease hiring and increase layoffs. Healthcare executives are becoming convinced that next year will be worse than last year, and so on, and so on, ad infinitum, so all health care businesses are contracting.

Thirdly, insurance companies that plan to stay in business are increasing their premiums in anticipation of increased regulation (cost of compliance), increased taxation, punitive surcharges, and decreased customer bases.

Fourth, employers who are able are already dropping or restricting coverage.

Fifth, prospective physicians who might have considered the already difficult pathway of primary care practice are changing career paths, or seeking government employment. A private primary care doctor works 55-65 hours a week, government employees work 37.5. This will drastically increase the already severe shortages in this sector.

Sixth, the FDA, for the first time in history, has begun to revoke approval of already-existing drugs because of their cost. The first victims of this will be independent Oncology practices, whose existence depends on revenue from cutting-edge chemotherapy, but other sectors are sure to follow - not to mention the effects on patients who need new treatments (and whose tax dollars have already paid for the development of some of those treatments).

As I have written before, the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act was a work of purely Leninist destruction. Its sole purpose was, and is, to wreck what we have now in order to create conditions for a fully nationalized system.

As Emperor Palpatine says in Star Wars - Return of the Jedi, "Everything is proceeding as I have foreseen it". I am sure that is the view of Obama and his creators.

5 posted on 11/10/2013 7:11:16 AM PST by Jim Noble (When strong, avoid them. Attack their weaknesses. Emerge to their surprise.)
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are we talking about the

...three month allowed coverage gap...

or something else?


9 posted on 11/10/2013 7:16:49 AM PST by RockyTx
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OH NO...Joe here....was so hoping to replace Obamacare with his own plan...but now theres no chance....as this grace period was one of his big selling points...


10 posted on 11/10/2013 7:17:02 AM PST by MeshugeMikey ( Visit http://icantenroll.com/ In Glitch We Trust....;o})
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A complete and total breakdown of the US healthcare system, followed by a communist-like takeover of all aspects of healthcare.

The US healthcare system got to be what it was with no help from the government. Now, with the government’s help, it will be a disaster. (but not for the ruling elite which will have everything it wants while we pay for it)


11 posted on 11/10/2013 7:22:04 AM PST by I want the USA back (Media: completely irresponsible traitors. Complicit in the destruction of our country.)
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Obama’s war on doctors is just warming up...


12 posted on 11/10/2013 7:23:17 AM PST by GOPJ (Obama - "too arrogant to question his own bad judgement" ... Greenfield)
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Moral Hazard: It’s in there.


13 posted on 11/10/2013 7:27:52 AM PST by magellan
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My hope is that ACA causes so many doctors and hospitals to drop out of 3rd-Party payer systems, accepting only cash, that we actually see the rise of a true free-market health-care system.


14 posted on 11/10/2013 7:28:16 AM PST by PGR88
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The only way I see to beat Obamacare is to rob a bank, get convicted and let the State handle your health problems.

Beats nursing homes, hospitals and clinics. Costs nothing an they feed you to.


16 posted on 11/10/2013 7:29:29 AM PST by Venturer (Keep Obama and you aint seen nothing yet.)
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"More than a month after HealthCare.gov and 15 state-based exchanges opened for business, consumers and even physicians are finding it's isn't easy or even possible sometimes to find out which doctors and hospitals are in the plans' provider networks." From Even doctors in dark about new health plans
17 posted on 11/10/2013 7:29:48 AM PST by missycocopuffs
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If premiums are subsidized, did the government ever think about “who” will pay the copay? The “insured” will just claim he/she has no money and walk away. Good luck with that. That’s why Medicaid nationwide is such a screaming success and healthcare for free is going broke.


20 posted on 11/10/2013 7:39:44 AM PST by Artie (We are surrounded by MORONS)
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Let’s see now, 12 million people (original estimate when bill was passed up to now 45 million (updated to include illegals who are assumed to be granted amnesty and thus eligible) will be without insurance and “need” this monstrosity.

Yet 60-90 million people will LOSE their insurance. Makes perfect sense, if you use government math.


22 posted on 11/10/2013 7:40:50 AM PST by NTHockey (Rules of engagement #1: Take no prisoners. And to the NSA trolls, FU)
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NEW Weekend Alert: The Health Insurance Marketplace online application isn't available from approximately 1 a.m. to 5 a.m. EST daily while we make improvements. In addition, between Saturday evening, November 9 and early morning on Tuesday, November 12, there will be times when you can fill out your application, but you will need to return and log in Tuesday afternoon to review and submit it. The rest of the site and the Marketplace call center remain available during these hours.

24 posted on 11/10/2013 7:57:36 AM PST by Berlin_Freeper
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Why of course it does. Sets the doctors up from the start as being heartless demons. See folks, if you can’t afford it, it is because those greedy mean doctors want to be paid.


27 posted on 11/10/2013 8:05:04 AM PST by dforest
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...it’s what happens when you make the doctors slaves...


31 posted on 11/10/2013 8:24:39 AM PST by Tzimisce
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Isn’t this a bit of a contradiction in terms? If people don’t pay the premiums, they get a 3 month grace period. But then, if they still don’t pay, their policy is cancelled? But then, is that really going to happen, if we’re all required to have insurance, would they really just cancel someone’s policy????


35 posted on 11/10/2013 8:38:34 AM PST by Dilbert San Diego
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Say What? Obamacare Leaves Doctors On the Hook for Deadbeats

Doctors are now responsible for Obama?

36 posted on 11/10/2013 8:40:27 AM PST by DoughtyOne (Obama, the Democrat Party, the Left in the U. S., have essentially become the 4th Reich.)
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Hospitals and providers are or at least should be well apprised of this loophole. 0-care exchange patients are generally going to be poor credit risks. Those with high paying jobs will generally have employer based insurance. Most of the 0-care patients, at least this year, will be working in lower and middle income wage jobs.
Because margins for most providers are tight due to declining reimbursememnt across the board, they must capture co-pays and deductibles for the lowest possible cost which means payment in full at the time of service. Using collection agencies costs 30-50% of the amount collected, and even worse, depending on the age of the account, many if not most accounts will be uncollectable due to bankruptcy. Moreover, those hospitals and providers taking 0-care insurance will have leverage over patients because the provider networks are intentionally very restricted.
Of course, emergency cases cannot be turned away, and ERs will close and those staying open will be overcrowed. But most medical care is elective, and without paying the co-pay, the deductible or proof of premium payment, patients will not receive care. This is why, despite the hype of universal coverage, many hospitals are making cutbacks. Patients caught in the 0-care exchange vortex will be paying more out of pocket thus driving down demand.


40 posted on 11/10/2013 10:10:24 AM PST by grumpygresh (Democrats delenda est. New US economy: Fascism on top, Socialism on the bottom.)
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Medicare is responsible for throwing things out of whack in the first place.

The government subsidized medical care for seniors, driving up prices and forcing the young and middle aged out of the market. Now Obamacare comes along trying to fix the problem the government created, making things worse.

43 posted on 11/10/2013 10:27:16 AM PST by freerepublicchat
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