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CNN source: If White House has no solution by Friday, Dems may vote for “Keep Your Plan Act”
Hotair ^ | 11/12/2013 | AllahPundit

Posted on 11/12/2013 7:01:51 PM PST by SeekAndFind

Amazing stuff via Mediaite. The “Keep Your Plan Act” is Fred Upton’s bill, which Jay Carney spent a few minutes attacking at today’s press briefing because it would make canceled plans available to all consumers, not just the ones who’d been enrolled in those plans before. That would be a disaster for the insurance industry. Healthy people would flee the new, more expensive plans for the resurrected cheaper ones, leaving no one in the new risk pool except sick people with very expensive treatments. That means either heavy losses for insurers, steep premium hikes next year to make up the difference, or some sort of federal bailout (congrats, red-state Democrats!) — or maybe a little of all three. You’ll have the same problem, though, albeit to a lesser extent, even if Upton’s bill is amended so that it applies only to people who’d been enrolled in a particular plan before it was cancelled. You can’t run a two-tiered healthy/sick insurance system. If the risk pools aren’t merged, replete with higher rates for the former, you can’t pay for the latter.

I understand why the GOP would back Upton’s bill. It’s a slam dunk politically, grinding Obama’s face in the consequences of his lie. This is the Democrats’ mess; Reid and the Senate can/will kill the bill if they like. I can’t understand why House Democrats, aware of the adverse selection problem that’s lurking here — and the political humiliation for the White House — would sign on, unless they’ve already reached a point of such pure terror over the “if you like your plan” backlash that they’re willing to kneecap ObamaCare six weeks out of the gate. Did they … not understand that millions of people were going to face cancellations and higher premiums under the law’s redistributive scheme? Of course they did. Steny Hoyer, number two in the Democratic caucus admitted it on October 29th. Fast forward two weeks and here’s where Hoyer is now:

“I don’t know what I’m gonna do on the Upton bill,” the Maryland Democrat said at a Tuesday briefing with reporters when discussing legislation sponsored by Energy and Commerce Chairman Fred Upton, R-Mich.

Hoyer noted that he was “inclined not to be for the Upton bill at this time,” but he emphasized that he was “not closed to the option,” and would “reserve judgment” until he had seen the legislative text, which is reportedly undergoing some tweaks.

“I agree that people who purchased their policies prior to [the law's enactment date] ought to be able to keep their policies,” he said.

If he agrees that they should be able to keep their policies, why did he vote for ObamaCare? The whole point of the law is that healthy middle-class people shouldn’t be allowed to keep policies that have relatively low premiums. We need to gouge those suckers with higher premiums for new “comprehensive” plans so that we can pay for the preexisting conditions of the sick. It’s like voting for immigration reform and then feigning surprise in five years when the newly “secure” border hasn’t halted illegal immigration. It’s not supposed to do that. That’s something you tell the hoi polloi in order to give Congress enough cover to vote for it.

The vote on Upton’s bill is set for Friday, which, per CNN’s source on the Hill, means the White House has 48 hours or so to come up with its own proposal for letting people keep their plans — adverse selection problem or not — before Democrats head for the lifeboats. Greg Sargent claims that the Democratic leadership is now warning the rank and file that rich liberal donors won’t look kindly at them if they abandon The One on his big “accomplishment.” I’ll leave you with this, just to show that the fear isn’t limited to Dems in red states. After a million cancellations, even DiFi’s nervous:

Feinstein: "I have decided to cosponsor Senator Mary Landrieu’s (D-La.) legislation: Keeping the Affordable Care Act Promise Act."

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TOPICS: Government
KEYWORDS: abortion; bailout; california; deathpanels; democrats; diannefeinstein; fredupton; jaycarney; keepyourplanact; louisiana; maryland; marylandrieu; michigan; obamacare; obamacarebailout; stenyhoyer; toobig2fail; toobigtofail; zerocare
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To: SeekAndFind

“Not good enough. A veto can be overridden with 2/3 majority in each house. I’d like to see if Dems have the “courage” to override Obama’s veto.”

Sorry, this bit of political theater is being staged only for the benefit of Democrats up for re-election next year. They’ll get to “bravely stand their ground”, and Obama’s veto will also stand.

I’ll quote Ben Franklin here:
“This will be the best security for maintaining our liberties. A nation of well-informed men who have been taught to know and prize the rights which God has given them cannot be enslaved.”


51 posted on 11/12/2013 7:37:41 PM PST by Junk Silver
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To: jimbo123

“There is no mention of how the risk corridor program will be funded if the amount that HHS must pay to insurers exceeds the amount HHS receives from insurers.”

What am I missing?

The Obamacare freelaoders have to pay a whole lot, or the paying insured have to pay a whole lot, or taxpayers have to ‘subsidize’ a whole lot.
I don’t see any other choices and the last is the only politically ciable one.


52 posted on 11/12/2013 7:37:52 PM PST by mrsmith (Dumb sluts: Lifeblood of the Media, Backbone of the Democrat Party!)
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To: SeekAndFind

:) all talk,Dems will not vote for it.


53 posted on 11/12/2013 7:38:07 PM PST by fatima (Free Hugs Today :))
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To: Yogafist

You just nailed it.

This is just a feel good vote to help dems distance themselves from the very damage that they are inflicting.


54 posted on 11/12/2013 7:39:42 PM PST by mylife (Ted Cruz understands the law, and he does not fear the unlawful.)
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To: SeekAndFind

Seriously, we knew Obamacare was going to stink. But did ANYONE think it was going to be of this magnitude and consequence so soon? I think we are witnessing the greatest debacle in American history, not just the failure of Obamacare but the public castration of Barack HUSSEIN Obama.


55 posted on 11/12/2013 7:39:54 PM PST by Toespi
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To: mrsmith

Basically, today’s worst-case scenario is that HealthCare.gov takes months to fix and the mandate is delayed until 2015, resulting in widespread adverse selection. Insurers wouldn’t recoup all losses, but the risk corridor program provides their bottom line with a substantial buffer. Importantly, it doesn’t need to be budget neutral; if the math demands it, the government can pay out more than it collects through the program. This could be expensive—the CBO scored the health law as though risk corridors were budget neutral—but it could also be offset by foregone subsidies.

http://theincidentaleconomist.com/wordpress/delaying-the-individual-mandate-would-be-a-headache-for-insurers-but-it-wouldnt-induce-a-death-spiral/


56 posted on 11/12/2013 7:40:17 PM PST by jimbo123
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To: mrsmith

Here’s the existing law’s BAILOUT formula for the insurance companies:

http://theincidentaleconomist.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2013/10/qhpriskcorridor_rwjf75568.png


57 posted on 11/12/2013 7:41:57 PM PST by jimbo123
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Keep your plan act?? Oh, thank ya massa government for givings me some freedoms...I'll try not to F it up like YOU ALL DID.

un-freaking-believable.

58 posted on 11/12/2013 7:45:30 PM PST by Ghost of SVR4 (So many are so hopelessly dependent on the government that they will fight to protect it.)
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To: jimbo123

But funds were never appropriated to make up the cosst if the ‘risk prevention corridors’ were not revenue neutral.

As far as I can see- and the law is difficult to understand (to say the least)- any funds to for the ‘corridor’ would have to be appropriated by congress.
Which the Dems would love to run on in 2014 and do when they’re put back in control of the House.


59 posted on 11/12/2013 7:48:18 PM PST by mrsmith (Dumb sluts: Lifeblood of the Media, Backbone of the Democrat Party!)
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To: SkyDancer
So all those people who’ve received cancellation notices (or “transition” notices) will receive notices that they’re back on their old plan?

And at what price, if so?

Ours went up 20% last year and is scheduled to go up another 20% in 2014.

I don't see this ending well with out the total repeal of the "A"CA.

60 posted on 11/12/2013 7:49:28 PM PST by llevrok (Obama 2008 : "If you vote for me, aaaaaa, you can keep your country")
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To: SeekAndFind

The dems can kiss ass. Keep and Defend the Constitution Act should be on their mantle.

Everybody gets to go home and get some rest.

Senator Kay Hagan, you are up for a fight. Take your socialism and shove it.

This Nation is about freedom FROM government.


61 posted on 11/12/2013 7:50:02 PM PST by eyedigress ((zOld storm chaser from the west)/ ?s)
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To: Coldwater Creek
That's what it is all about, destroy the insurance companies, so that it will be a single payer system.

That may have been their original plan, but these amateurs completely blew it. After this spectacular, disastrous fail, the last thing anyone (particularly Democrats running for re-election) wants is government MORE involved in health care. These people completely blew their chance, and at the unbelievably wrong time (for them I mean!). The ineptitude on display is even being noticed by the lowest of low-information voters.

62 posted on 11/12/2013 7:52:00 PM PST by JennysCool (My hypocrisy goes only so far)
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To: mylife
I think there should be no modifications or delays. I think the Democrats, as well as their voters, should suffer and suffer severely. Not out of malice, but so that they will learn.

Modifications or delays will only allow this "law" to "succeed". It must not be allowed to succeed in any degree. It must be defeated entirely. The only way that is going to happen is if the idea of socialism is destroyed. We must salt the fields so that this poison seed can never grow again. Their suffering is that salt, the fields their hearts and minds.

It is unfortunate that we who reject the Democrat's socialist swill must suffer as well. The body-politic must suffer the fever to kill the disease. The fever may run high, but it is necessary.

63 posted on 11/12/2013 7:52:04 PM PST by Ray76
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To: eyedigress

Every Rat that voted for the ACA must be taken out.

And every GOP’er that tries to help the Rats “fix” this must also be taken out.

The law is doomed. Let it crash.


64 posted on 11/12/2013 7:53:06 PM PST by LowTaxesEqualsProsperity
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To: Yogafist
I think the problem now is the policies are not legal, so if they vote on a “keep your policy” law, it won’t mean anything, unless they change their law.

If this law passes, is it a de facto repeal of parts of Obamacare, or are they creating two conflicting laws that can't both be enforced?

Someone who wants to start trouble can file a lawsuit arguing that one or the other law must be struck down, because they can't both the "settled law of the land."

So, if Democrats go on the record repealing parts of Obamacare, does that open the floodgates for Republicans to introduce other repeal laws, since the Democrats went first, essentially admitting it was bad law?

-PJ

65 posted on 11/12/2013 7:53:23 PM PST by Political Junkie Too (If you are the Posterity of We the People, then you are a Natural Born Citizen.)
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To: mylife

“This is just a feel good vote to help dems distance themselves from the very damage that they are inflicting.”

Get back on the sinking ship, Rats.


66 posted on 11/12/2013 7:53:25 PM PST by Ray76
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For the Chris Matthews of the world, it means getting away.


67 posted on 11/12/2013 7:54:07 PM PST by eyedigress ((zOld storm chaser from the west)/ ?s)
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To: Ray76

We’ll have to put a metaphorical gun to their head.


68 posted on 11/12/2013 7:54:28 PM PST by mylife (Ted Cruz understands the law, and he does not fear the unlawful.)
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To: Coldwater Creek
That's what it is all about, destroy the insurance companies, so that it will be a single payer system.

I think it was really a back door deal with the insurance companies to get reform by transferring boatloads of revenue into their pockets. No matter what happens going forward the grifter twits in Congress with ensure the insurance companies will make they money.

69 posted on 11/12/2013 7:54:52 PM PST by Fzob (Jesus + anything = nothing, Jesus + nothing = everything)
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To: SkyDancer
So all those people who’ve received cancellation notices (or “transition” notices) will receive notices that they’re back on their old plan?

And the insurance companies are just going to eat the cost of putting it all back like it was?

70 posted on 11/12/2013 7:55:49 PM PST by tacticalogic
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To: Kozak
You can’t magically reconstruct the situation before this clusterf##k launched.

No kidding! What a nightmare and FReepers saw it coming several years ago.

71 posted on 11/12/2013 7:56:11 PM PST by Inyo-Mono (NRA)
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To: SeekAndFind

Thanks for the thread!


72 posted on 11/12/2013 7:56:20 PM PST by sneakers
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To: LowTaxesEqualsProsperity

I will work tooth and nail to rid myself of idiots in charge of our nation.

I want the Constitution and nothing less. If they cannot keep that charge, they are to be dismissed.


73 posted on 11/12/2013 7:57:23 PM PST by eyedigress ((zOld storm chaser from the west)/ ?s)
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To: AdmSmith; AnonymousConservative; Berosus; bigheadfred; Bockscar; cardinal4; ColdOne; ...

Thanks SeekAndFind. That assumes that a war doesn’t start by then. Gasoline was $3.069, something like that, so I topped my tank tonight on the way home.


74 posted on 11/12/2013 8:01:45 PM PST by SunkenCiv (http://www.freerepublic.com/~mestamachine/)
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To: mylife

But that is the state of the Republican party. They should be sending a new bill to stop Obamacare in its tracks every day, and make the Democrats vote to continue this train wreck. But The Republicans will probably send up and amnesty bill to detract attention and piss of the American people even more. I hate to sound like this, but this is a great opportunity to help the American people. unfortunately the GOP doesn’t have the guts to fight.


75 posted on 11/12/2013 8:03:40 PM PST by Yogafist
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To: SeekAndFind

The best solution would be to outlaw all medical insurance, and allow treatment costs to sink back to a normal level, like they were in the ‘50s before “health” insurance came along.


76 posted on 11/12/2013 8:04:19 PM PST by editor-surveyor (Freepers: Not as smart as I'd hoped they'd be)
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To: Yogafist

Yup.


77 posted on 11/12/2013 8:05:17 PM PST by mylife (Ted Cruz understands the law, and he does not fear the unlawful.)
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To: editor-surveyor

Health Insurance was the answer to wage and price controls in the 40’s.


78 posted on 11/12/2013 8:05:37 PM PST by eyedigress ((zOld storm chaser from the west)/ ?s)
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To: SeekAndFind

>> “ Democrats will get to boast about their “courage” in voting for this bill.” <<

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People will remember that they voted for the other bill first.


79 posted on 11/12/2013 8:06:06 PM PST by editor-surveyor (Freepers: Not as smart as I'd hoped they'd be)
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To: SeekAndFind


Repeal the law, coverage currently stays the same for everyone, those that lost coverage should find temporary solace until able to renegotiate with old policy or find one just like their old one, AND THAT IS IT, final offer for the Congressional dems (While explaining this "grandfathering" does not make economical sense, along with campaign commercials bombing this law).

All Boehner is doing is performing fellatio on the Donkeys. What Boehner needs to do is play serious hardball. This nation is hanging in the balance and he wants to help "softening" and polish the destruction, good grief.
80 posted on 11/12/2013 8:06:18 PM PST by rollo tomasi (Working hard to pay for deadbeats and corrupt politicians.)
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To: SeekAndFind

REPUBLICANS NEED TO OPPOSE THIS UNLESS THERE IS AN ATTACHMENT WIHT FULL R E P E A L! !!!


81 posted on 11/12/2013 8:07:15 PM PST by JSDude1 (Defeat Hagan, elect a Constutional Conservative: Dr. Greg Brannon!)
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To: Cvengr
The vote on Upton’s bill is set for Friday, which, per CNN’s source on the Hill, means the White House has 48 hours or so to come up with its own proposal for letting people keep their plans — adverse selection problem or not — before Democrats head for the lifeboats.

Countdown to Friday mayhem ping.

82 posted on 11/12/2013 8:09:04 PM PST by Ezekiel (All who mourn the destruction of America merit the celebration of her rebirth.)
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To: eyedigress

In 1952 one of my classmates’ mother had her leg amputated for cancer, and the bill came to an astounding $400.


83 posted on 11/12/2013 8:09:34 PM PST by editor-surveyor (Freepers: Not as smart as I'd hoped they'd be)
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To: editor-surveyor

That is a months pay or better. I hope she lived well.


84 posted on 11/12/2013 8:11:54 PM PST by eyedigress ((zOld storm chaser from the west)/ ?s)
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To: DManA
I don’t know what’s in the bill but I know at this point that is not possible.

Congress has to pass it first.....then find out what's in it. Have you forgotten that already?

85 posted on 11/12/2013 8:12:43 PM PST by Graybeard58 (_.. ._. .. _. _._ __ ___ ._. . ___ ..._ ._ ._.. _ .. _. .)
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To: Graybeard58

Also, it’s not a law until the executive bureaucrats write the regulations. They are the real (unelected) legislature.


86 posted on 11/12/2013 8:19:29 PM PST by DManA
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To: eyedigress

Her husband was the youngest captain on the Oakland PD.

She was an absolute fox! (I was almost 8 years old)


87 posted on 11/12/2013 8:19:48 PM PST by editor-surveyor (Freepers: Not as smart as I'd hoped they'd be)
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To: SeekAndFind
Just the fact that there is a discussion about this bill shows that there was not the need democrats said when it came to creating this law tax in the first place.
88 posted on 11/12/2013 8:23:03 PM PST by Baynative (Wake me up early, be good to my dogs and teach my children to pray.)
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To: editor-surveyor

I had a serious crush on my 2nd grade teacher. I promised to never release the videos.

:^)


89 posted on 11/12/2013 8:25:39 PM PST by eyedigress ((zOld storm chaser from the west)/ ?s)
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To: SeekAndFind

The Rats are hoping they can unspill the spilt milk. Ain’t gonna happen. For one thing they got only 6 weeks before millions find themselves without health insurance. Ain’t enough time to fix ANYTHING before then. And besides those polices are kaput, and no amount of legislation can make them come back any more than legislation can undo the damage wrought by a Cat 5 tornado.


90 posted on 11/12/2013 8:26:06 PM PST by catnipman (uil)
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To: SkyDancer

The plans don’t exist anymore so how can they get them back?

Just another lie to trick the people.


91 posted on 11/12/2013 8:26:17 PM PST by funfan
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To: VRWC For Truth

You are too generous I wish for their untimely demise.


92 posted on 11/12/2013 8:29:37 PM PST by funfan
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To: SeekAndFind

This is called the (Obamacare) death spiral.
Dems are in a panic.

Obama is probably counting on this dying in House.


93 posted on 11/12/2013 8:30:30 PM PST by sickoflibs (Obama : 'If you like your Doctor you can keep him, PERIOD! Don't believe the GOPs warnings')
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To: Baynative

So... we’ve been paying for this fiasco for 3 years now, to help it get on its feet... if it is repealed, where did the money go?


94 posted on 11/12/2013 8:30:46 PM PST by Teacher317 (Obama is failing faster than I can lower my expectations.)
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To: funfan

That is the point. People need to understand law.

These policies are illegal. Obama just stepped into a pile of law that even he can’t clean off. Even if he dumped it himself.


95 posted on 11/12/2013 8:31:10 PM PST by eyedigress ((zOld storm chaser from the west)/ ?s)
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To: eyedigress

>> “ I promised to never release the videos.” <<

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I-Phone?


96 posted on 11/12/2013 8:33:09 PM PST by editor-surveyor (Freepers: Not as smart as I'd hoped they'd be)
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To: SeekAndFind

Obama will have to veto it. It would speed the collapse of Obamacare. The folks whose plans were cancelled have to pay exorbitant new premiums.


97 posted on 11/12/2013 8:34:09 PM PST by JimSEA
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To: Teacher317

No one seems to be asking this question.


98 posted on 11/12/2013 8:34:38 PM PST by riri (Plannedopolis-look it up. It's how the elites plan for US to live.)
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To: Teacher317

>> “where did the money go?” <<

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To the sterling individuals that funded Obummah’s election.


99 posted on 11/12/2013 8:36:03 PM PST by editor-surveyor (Freepers: Not as smart as I'd hoped they'd be)
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To: SeekAndFind
because it would make canceled plans available to all consumers, not just the ones who’d been enrolled in those plans before. That would be a disaster for the insurance industry.

I can see why the WH would attack it from a political standpoint. But even if it goes forward I can see how they end up winning in the long run. WH and dems will pass legislation restricting rates and basically make it so insurance companies fold. If enough damage ensues to insurance companies that paves the way for the dems to come to the rescue with single payer which is what they want anyway. They want insurance companies to fail.

Haven't said that I think the political reality in short term though is they prefer to have their "plan" preserved so they are not seen as backtracking. Now that they control this industry they can always find a way to screw insurance companies later and move to single payer. either way they win. The RINOs cant do much except pass this bill (with dem support) which does help some people now. The little people are grateful for any crumbs the RINOs can throw them.

100 posted on 11/12/2013 8:36:52 PM PST by plain talk
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