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Robert A. Heinlein: A real-life Forrest Gump
Tor Blogs ^ | August 11, 2010 | MITCH WAGNER

Posted on 11/16/2013 9:33:41 PM PST by narses

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To: Gaffer

I can certainly understand that, Gaffer. He was hard to put your finger on, IMO.

I have often wondered if he wasn’t simply a gadfly, trying to illicit a response from his readers, especially regarding the incestuous aspects of some of his characters.

I wish I had been old enough to have the nerve to ask him about it on the occasion of our meeting (I was only about 19 and in utter awe of him), but I was too shy to do so.

BTW, your favorites are some of mine, as well: “The Moon is a Harsh Mistress” is required reading in my house, and “Time Enough for Love” has been re-read by me at least 100 times.

Still, there is no doubt that RAH was the most influential author in my life. I don’t think there’s anything by him that I haven’t read. (If you haven’t read “Tramp Royale”, may I suggest you do so if you can find a copy? Very interesting non-fiction.)

Regards,


21 posted on 11/17/2013 4:39:49 AM PST by VermiciousKnid (Sic narro nos totus!)
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To: narses
"RAH did."

Nope. One of RAH's colleagues begged him to have himself cryogenically preserved at death. He refused. His comment...."might that not interfere with rebirth".

I believe I read that commentary amongst the various tributes by Spider Robinson to RAH.

As with many, RAH got me started into serious SF and helped get me started in science.

22 posted on 11/17/2013 4:39:56 AM PST by Wonder Warthog
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To: Gaffer
"Unfortunately, in his last years I believe his beliefs (and oddities) took hold of him and he was at best, tolerable even though somewhat erratic in my estimation."

During that period, he was suffering from restricted blood flow to the brain. Surgery to remove blockages in (I think) the carotids got him "back to normal".

23 posted on 11/17/2013 4:43:23 AM PST by Wonder Warthog
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To: calex59
"Just how in the hell does Heinlein’s life even remotely compare to a mentally retarded Gump? What an insult to this great writer."

I believe this refers to Heinlein's propensity for finding himself at or near the center of formative historical events without seeking to be so, and not his intellectual capabilities.

24 posted on 11/17/2013 4:46:25 AM PST by Wonder Warthog
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To: narses

I garnered this info from the Amazon reviews. “Avoid the Kindle edition...the paper edition includes a large center section of photographs which the Kindle version omits.”


25 posted on 11/17/2013 5:02:45 AM PST by Wonder Warthog
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To: narses
Heinlein was born in Kansas, in 1907, the heart of Middle America.

Well, no. Born in Butler, MO. Grew up in and around Kansas City, MO.

Admittedly these are both right up against the KS line, but that doesn't make them in KS.

At the time there was, and still is to some extent, a HUGE cultural difference between MO and KS, descended from Civil War days Great bitterness and antagonism. Worst atrocities of the entire War were in this area.

Aware of this because I'm from a mixed marriage. Dad was KS, mom was MO.

LOL

26 posted on 11/17/2013 5:17:35 AM PST by Sherman Logan
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To: GOPJ; Terry L Smith
Are you saying he was staunchly anticommunist?

Absolutely. Most especially during the Col War era when the "better Red than dead" meme spread among literary types.

In Heinlein's mind, "better dead than Red" was a better slogan.

Was a big supporter of Upton Sinclair in the early 30s, who was in favor of a bigger New Deal, but I suspect in later life he recognized this was a mistake. In any case, it's obvious from his writings that he was an extreme free market type. Among other things, invented the most profound slogan of libertarianism: There Ain't No Such Thing As A Free Lunch, tanstaafl.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/End_Poverty_in_California_movement

27 posted on 11/17/2013 5:25:40 AM PST by Sherman Logan
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To: VermiciousKnid

It took me a long time to track all the books down, but I believe I’ve read every one of them.


28 posted on 11/17/2013 5:36:14 AM PST by Gaffer
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To: narses

Pretty much correct, except for the retarded thing.


29 posted on 11/17/2013 5:56:01 AM PST by BCrago66
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To: Terry L Smith

Ditto.


30 posted on 11/17/2013 5:59:02 AM PST by Eric in the Ozarks ("Say Not the Struggle Naught Availeth.")
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To: VermiciousKnid
Re: RAH is my favorite author. I met him once... he made me blush by talking about my red hair.

And not a word... about your snow cone, eh?

Just like Bob... he always had to flirt with a pretty gal--

I've often wondered... just what that little girl with the snow come grew up to be--

Was she a Fringe type... action loving... kinda gal?

Or did she... become an unforgettable type... action loving lady?

In any event, Bob and Lazarus Long would agree as I certainly admire your beauty... and marksmanship!

31 posted on 11/17/2013 6:03:50 AM PST by Bender2 ("I've got a twisted sense of humor, and everything amuses me." RAH Beyond this Horizon)
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To: Bender2

32 posted on 11/17/2013 6:06:57 AM PST by bert ((K.E. N.P. N.C. +12 ..... Travon... Felony assault and battery hate crime)
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To: bert
Re: [nothing]

And your message... is?????

33 posted on 11/17/2013 6:33:54 AM PST by Bender2 ("I've got a twisted sense of humor, and everything amuses me." RAH Beyond this Horizon)
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To: Bender2

Ooops....
The picture of the auburn haired beauty is Friday, from the cover of the Heinlein book Friday


34 posted on 11/17/2013 6:37:34 AM PST by bert ((K.E. N.P. N.C. +12 ..... Travon... Felony assault and battery hate crime)
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To: bert
Re: Ooops.... The picture of the auburn haired beauty is Friday... from the cover of the Heinlein book Friday

I see... but do not forget Momma... Maureen or Pookayne... of Mars.

I... haven't--

35 posted on 11/17/2013 6:58:29 AM PST by Bender2 ("I've got a twisted sense of humor, and everything amuses me." RAH Beyond this Horizon)
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To: bert

There is a book, rather an anthology, titled “The Wisdom of Lazarus Long” or maybe the sayings. It’s a compilation of all of Long’s short sayings from all the books. It’s well worth the read.


36 posted on 11/17/2013 7:08:59 AM PST by vortec94
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To: vortec94

I’m on the verge of a Heinlein revival after maybe a 30 year hiatus.

Thanks for the suggestion, I’ll look it up


37 posted on 11/17/2013 7:33:42 AM PST by bert ((K.E. N.P. N.C. +12 ..... Travon... Felony assault and battery hate crime)
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To: bert

Incest was a continuing theme for LL (RAH alter-ego). Recommend you do as I have done and leave this author 30-years in the past. Heinlein is a good historical study and this book would probably interest me. But I’d stay away from Heinlein’s kind of thinking as long and as far as possible. Just a suggestion.


38 posted on 11/17/2013 7:47:09 AM PST by Resettozero
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To: Resettozero
*shrug* he had a pretty good grasp of the threat, and its undying animosity towards freedom.


39 posted on 11/17/2013 8:24:12 AM PST by null and void (I'm betting on an Obama Trifecta: A Nobel Peace Prize, an Impeachment, AND a War Crimes Trial...)
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To: vortec94; Allegra; big'ol_freeper; Lil'freeper; shove_it; TrueKnightGalahad; Cincinatus' Wife; ...
Re: There is a book, rather an anthology, titled “The Wisdom of Lazarus Long” or maybe the sayings. It’s a compilation of all of Long’s short sayings from all the books. It’s well worth the read.

From http://iheartquotes.com/tags/lazarus_long

You can have peace. Or you can have freedom. Don't ever count on having both at once.
— Lazarus Long

Never try to outstubborn a cat.
— Lazarus Long, “Time Enough for Love”

Little girls, like butterflies, need no excuse.
— Lazarus Long

Sin lies only in hurting other people unnecessarily. All other “sins” are
invented nonsense. (Hurting yourself is not sinful — just stupid).
— Lazarus Long

Don't try to have the last word — you might get it.
— Lazarus Long

A committee is a life form with six or more legs and no brain.
— Lazarus Long, “Time Enough For Love”

Animals can be driven crazy by putting too many in too small a pen.
Homo sapiens is the only animal that voluntarily does this to himself.
— Lazarus Long

A committee is a life form with six or more legs and no brain.
— Lazarus Long, “Time Enough For Love”

To stay young requires unceasing cultivation of the ability to unlearn
old falsehoods.
— Lazarus Long, “Time Enough For Love”

Anyone who cannot cope with mathematics is not fully human. At best he
is a tolerable subhuman who has learned to wear shoes, bathe and not
make messes in the house.

— Lazarus Long, “Time Enough for Love”

The correct way to punctuate a sentence that starts: “Of course it is none
of my business, but —” is to place a period after the word “but.” Don't use
excessive force in supplying such a moron with a period. Cutting his throat
is only a momentary pleasure and is bound to get you talked about.
— Lazarus Long, “Time Enough for Love”

This sad little lizard told me that he was a brontosaurus on his mother's
side. I did not laugh; people who boast of ancestry often have little
else to sustain them. Humoring them costs nothing and adds happiness in
a world in which happiness is always in short supply.
— Lazarus Long

Never try to teach a pig to sing. It wastes your time and annoys the pig.
— Lazarus Long, “Time Enough for Love”

Maybe Jesus was right when he said that the meek shall inherit the
earth — but they inherit very small plots, about six feet by three.
— Lazarus Long

This sad little lizard told me that he was a brontosaurus on his mother's
side. I did not laugh; people who boast of ancestry often have little
else to sustain them. Humoring them costs nothing and adds happiness in
a world in which happiness is always in short supply.
— Lazarus Long

Never appeal to a man's “better nature.” He may not have one.
Invoking his self-interest gives you more leverage.
— Lazarus Long

The correct way to punctuate a sentence that starts: “Of course it is none
of my business, but —” is to place a period after the word “but.” Don't use
excessive force in supplying such a moron with a period. Cutting his throat
is only a momentary pleasure and is bound to get you talked about.
— Lazarus Long, “Time Enough for Love”

Take care of the luxuries and the necessities will take care of themselves.
— Lazarus Long

$100 invested at 7% interest for 100 years will become $100,000, at
which time it will be worth absolutely nothing.
— Lazarus Long, “Time Enough for Love”

It may be better to be a live jackal than a dead lion, but it is better
still to be a live lion. And usually easier.
— Lazarus Long

$100 invested at 7% interest for 100 years will become $100,000, at
which time it will be worth absolutely nothing.

— Lazarus Long, “Time Enough for Love”

Animals can be driven crazy by putting too many in too small a pen.
Homo sapiens is the only animal that voluntarily does this to himself.
— Lazarus Long

Money is truthful. If a man speaks of his honor, make him pay cash.
— Lazarus Long

A “practical joker” deserves applause for his wit according to its quality.
Bastinado is about right. For exceptional wit one might grant keelhauling.
But staking him out on an anthill should be reserved for the very wittiest.
— Lazarus Long

Don't try to have the last word — you might get it.
— Lazarus Long

To stay young requires unceasing cultivation of the ability to unlearn
old falsehoods.
— Lazarus Long, “Time Enough For Love”

Anyone who cannot cope with mathematics is not fully human. At best he
is a tolerable subhuman who has learned to wear shoes, bathe and not
make messes in the house.
— Lazarus Long, “Time Enough for Love”

It has long been known that one horse can run faster than another —
but which one? Differences are crucial.
— Lazarus Long

Anyone who cannot cope with mathematics is not fully human.
At best he is a tolerable subhuman who has learned to wear
shoes, bathe and not make messes in the house.

— Lazarus Long, “Time Enough for Love”

Be wary of strong drink. It can make you shoot at tax collectors and miss.
— Lazarus Long, “Time Enough for Love”

Gadzooks! If this is not enough... there is another page at the website--

40 posted on 11/17/2013 8:27:57 AM PST by Bender2 ("I've got a twisted sense of humor, and everything amuses me." RAH Beyond this Horizon)
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