Bad News for U.S. Warplane Pilots: Russia’s New Dogfighting Missile Can’t Miss

War is Boring ^ | 12/04/2013 | David Axe

[donmeaker]

They tell their pilots this to get them to make that first sortie.

Then, if none come back, they tell them a different lie.

Soviet Union lost 14.5 million men in the first phase of Great Patriotic War. That took a lot of lies to get men to walk into German fire. They would literally stop german infantry units by depleting them of ammunition by giving them targets to shoot. German units wouldn’t advance when they had no ammunition.

[Vendome]

how good my AIM....

Fine, Stands off about 100 miles....and carry six per plane...

Buh, Bye.

[cunning_fish]

AFAIK Iraqis shot down F-18 with an earlier type of that same missile in 1991.

[cunning_fish]

>>>Soviet Union lost 14.5 million men in the first phase of Great Patriotic War. That took a lot of lies to get men to walk into German fire. They would literally stop german infantry units by depleting them of ammunition by giving them targets to shoot. German units wouldn’t advance when they had no ammunition.<<<

It is a version of former Nazy Generals. Soviets has another version and both are lies.

Actual kill ratio between Germans and Soviets is about 1:1,5-2, not 1 to 10 as some Nazis claim. Also a huge portion of Soviet military deaths are POWs starved and tortured to death by the Nazy. Soviets simply weren’t so cruel to match the other counterpart.

[MadMax, the Grinning Reaper]

Remember, both the Russians and the Red Chinese produce weapons in “mass quantities” (hat tip to the Coneheads). If you put enough planes with enough missiles on them in the air and fire, nothing we have is going to survive, no matter how stealthy they are.

The old “Swarm Tactic” works. Just ask our men who were attacked by Japanese kamikaze planes. It only took one to sink a destroyer or aircraft carrier, and they did.

Today’s explosive warheads are many times more powerful so a massed array of them fired at a target/zone are going to hit it just by sheer numbers and weapons mix.

Don’t forget. The Israeli Air Force in 1973 almost ran out of planes even though it was beginning to win on the ground. It was only the US replacement supply line that saved the day (despite Kissinger’s reported attempts to interfere with it).

[Yosemitest]

Obama and his Russians may not be our main problem.

[itssme]

Thanks for posting this article. It should be sent to eveyone we know..have to keep reminding people of how much info is out there on communist/socialist/marxist/muzlim infiltrator-loving obozo.

[Yosemitest]

You're welcome, but check out comment #27.

[itssme]

Yes, we're getting “incoming” from every direction these days. So, it's heads up, and the hope that we don't get hit in the head, like we don't have enough to worry about! Sheesh.

[skinkinthegrass]

now that's a sobering article, thanks forthe post.

[Gaffer]

Yes, phased arrays have been around for a long time. AESAs, active electronically scanned arrays are somewhat newer because the RF power (TX) and receiver (RX) are basically at the antenna elements that form the overall array. They are a sub class of phased arrays.

The use of AESAs is not so much technologically important in the missile vs. say, a standard corporate-fed array with element phase shifters, but economically and to an extent with respect to large scale manufacturing, it is a big advancement, especially at the frequencies we'd be talking for and A/A missile

[TwelveOfTwenty]

This is looking a lot like 1980. The difference is that in 1980, America voted to be put back to work and to be respected in the world again. In 2012, America voted for free abortions, free birth control, free government (tax payer) paid benefits, and gay marriage.

[lavaroise]

Not bad at all. I dont know how it can be more agile than AMRAAM. An antiradar chaff, laser or even gun/missile system could defeat it. The AMRAM uses INS and radar and could be modified like the french Micah to have a passive IR seeker.

[lavaroise]

the whore of Babylon will be hated and decapitated... Hillary?

[Tonytitan]

The RMS Titanic can’t sink. If you like your plan you can keep it, PERIOD! If man were meant to fly he’d have wings. Of course I’ll call you. Have I ever lied to you? Your kitchen’ll be done in less than a month.

The check is in the mail.

I love you.

You'll feel a slight discomfort.

[MHalblaub]

“[...] the U.S. and Europe have essentially stopped investing in new seekers for air-to-air missiles.”

That is not quite true for Europe:
IRIS-T/IDAS (ASRAAM)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IRIS-T
You have to view the movie of the seeker head moving. The fast moves are hard to see. Try slow motion right at the end of the movie.

MBDA Meteor (BVRAAM)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Meteor_%28missile%29

[Diogenesis]

Murdering and raping WHITE Americans by the thousands
is now A-OK to the Islamic DO"J" run by Holder.

This will NEVER be forgotten. EVER.

[RFEngineer]

Eh.....it’s much more complicated than that.

First an unmanned missile can outmaneuver a piloted aircraft, at least in terms of absolute capability.

The biggest problem is in the control loop. Make that faster and a missile can maneuver faster. That’s a bigger innovation than the sensor, in my opinion, but one can argue.

The other problem is getting your platform in the right spot at the right time to fire a missile - which requires ground support systems, integrated air defense systems. We would not send a single aircraft against a fully integrated air defense system. So even if you had a “missile that can’t miss” it doesn’t mean a thing in and of itself.

Another problem is getting into position to fire without being fired upon first.

So this would seem like typical Russian hyperbole.

[Freeport]

You have it in one.

There is nothing in this chicken little article that even remotly looks like a silver bullet.

AESA is useful for three things: Lower maintenance of RF systems, multiple waveforming (ex. x-band, s-band, etc.), and beamforming. That’s it. It can’t magically “detect” anything it’s systems are not designed to detect.