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Posted on 12/24/2013 9:19:25 AM PST by montag813
Great clip showing a side of ‘Duck Commander’ Phil Robertson that many don’t know: when he was teammates with future NFL Hall of Famer Terry Bradshaw…
Uh, no. Tyre and Sidon destroyed by God for their trafficking in slaves.
No. Tyre and Sidon destroyed for their trafficking in slaves.
And since the crucifixion all who will accept Jesus are our brothers no matter their race or nationality. NO MORE SLAVERY.
The bible was not written in English. Master here does not mean a slave master. It means employer, etc.
Exactly. The never-ending struggle for ancestor worshipers to try to say their ancestor's cause was just.
That's not the same kind of slavery as it is understood in the U.S., but in some respects many of the slaves of the pre-Civil War period may have thought of themselves that way. When I was in high school I worked for an old man who was born in the early 1900s, and he once told me that one of his earliest memories as a child was of Thanksgiving and Christmas dinners at his grandfather's farm with his extended family. Two people who often attended these gatherings was this elderly black couple who lived in a cabin on the property. He didn't know it at the time, but he found out later that these were his grandfather's last surviving slaves. They were "emancipated" after the Civil War but they were always treated well and never really thought their circumstances were very unpleasant at all ... so they continued to live and work on the farm even though they were "free." I suspect a lot of successful black Americans in the 21st century can trace their roots to families like this.
Slavery as a whole was neither condoned nor condemned, as I said. Forcibly enslaving Israelites however was condemned numerous times, from Tyre to Egypt. It wasn't the bondage itself, it was the force used and most importantly who was being forced into bondage, that led to God's wrath.
Should you be able to use passages from the Bible itself to dispel the above, I'm all ears, but please be aware that the position you're taking can itself be easily dispelled by the same.
Yer right. Using the word “neutral” was incorrect. My point was that slavery is not like the color “black”. It comes in all sorts of colors. Some worse than others and, truth be told, with the right cultural situation, some could be actually beneficial to the “slave”.
Beg to differ. . .there were millions of slaves throughout the Roman empire. . they were neighter compensated nor free, they were owned. Thus the most common tranlation is "Master" and "Slave". . but this is a different argument. My point was the Paul was not a social critic, he was an evangelist preparing people for the imminent return of Christ. By the way, Ephesians 6:5 was one of the prime scriptures that were used to justify slavery in the South.
Interesting how A&E has been making huge profits from broadcasting the Robertson’s faith (a huge reason for their popularity) for years, and then they dump Phil for openly discussing his faith, making statements which are 100 percent consistent with the life and values A&E has been getting rich by parading across our TVs every week on Duck Dynasty.
Firing Phil Robertson for discussing his Christian faith...including all the comments in question...is like firing an airline pilot for achieving a 100% safety and on-time takeoff/arrival record, or firing an NFL quarterback for leading his team to win the Superbowl.
Phil Robertson’s faith (and his family’s faith) has been the center of interest for a huge portion of the DD audience. Viewers may walk to the “fridge” for a beer while the boys are doing something stupid for the audience, but every viewer is sitting glued to the set when the show ends and the Robertson family gathers around the dinner table for the prayer we all know and expect to hear.
The Christian faith component of the show has been the key to DD’s success since “day 1,” and everyone in the Robertson family knows it. That family...mocked though they may be...knows and understands their audience far better than do the ridiculous hypocrites who run A&E.
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Exodus 21:16 - And he that stealeth a man, and selleth him, or if he be found in his hand, he shall surely be put to death.
Colossians 4:1 - Masters, give unto [your] servants that which is just and equal; knowing that ye also have a Master in heaven.
Galatians 3:28 - There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus.
Ephesians 6:5 - Servants, be obedient to them that are [your] masters according to the flesh, with fear and trembling, in singleness of your heart, as unto Christ;
Deuteronomy 23:15 - Thou shalt not deliver unto his master the servant which is escaped from his master unto thee:
Exodus 21:20-21 - And if a man smite his servant, or his maid, with a rod, and he die under his hand; he shall be surely punished.
Galatians 5:1 - Stand fast therefore in the liberty wherewith Christ hath made us free, and be not entangled again with the yoke of bondage.
Leviticus 25:44-46 - Both thy bondmen, and thy bondmaids, which thou shalt have, [shall be] of the heathen that are round about you; of them shall ye buy bondmen and bondmaids.
Exodus 21:1-36 - Now these [are] the judgments which thou shalt set before them.
Titus 2:9-10 - [Exhort] servants to be obedient unto their own masters, [and] to please [them] well in all [things]; not answering again;
Colossians 3:22 - Servants, obey in all things [your] masters according to the flesh; not with eyeservice, as menpleasers; but in singleness of heart, fearing God:
1 Peter 2:18 - Servants, [be] subject to [your] masters with all fear; not only to the good and gentle, but also to the froward.
1 Timothy 1:10 - For whoremongers, for them that defile themselves with mankind, for menstealers, for liars, for perjured persons, and if there be any other thing that is contrary to sound doctrine;
Revelation 13:16 - And he causeth all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to receive a mark in their right hand, or in their foreheads:
Luke 4:18 - The Spirit of the Lord [is] upon me, because he hath anointed me to preach the gospel to the poor; he hath sent me to heal the brokenhearted, to preach deliverance to the captives, and recovering of sight to the blind, to set at liberty them that are bruised,
1 Kings 9:20-21 - [And] all the people [that were] left of the Amorites, Hittites, Perizzites, Hivites, and Jebusites, which [were] not of the children of Israel,
Leviticus 25:39 - And if thy brother [that dwelleth] by thee be waxen poor, and be sold unto thee; thou shalt not compel him to serve as a bondservant:
Exodus 21:26-27 - And if a man smite the eye of his servant, or the eye of his maid, that it perish; he shall let him go free for his eye’s sake.
Luke 12:47 - And that servant, which knew his lord’s will, and prepared not [himself], neither did according to his will, shall be beaten with many [stripes].
Deuteronomy 24:7 - If a man be found stealing any of his brethren of the children of Israel, and maketh merchandise of him, or selleth him; then that thief shall die; and thou shalt put evil away from among you.
Deuteronomy 23:15-16 - Thou shalt not deliver unto his master the servant which is escaped from his master unto thee:
Exodus 22:3 - If the sun be risen upon him, [there shall be] blood [shed] for him; [for] he should make full restitution; if he have nothing, then he shall be sold for his theft.
Exodus 21:1-6 - Now these [are] the judgments which thou shalt set before them.
1 Timothy 6:1-2 - Let as many servants as are under the yoke count their own masters worthy of all honour, that the name of God and [his] doctrine be not blasphemed.
Joel 3:8 - And I will sell your sons and your daughters into the hand of the children of Judah, and they shall sell them to the Sabeans, to a people far off: for the LORD hath spoken [it].
Leviticus 25:42 - For they [are] my servants, which I brought forth out of the land of Egypt: they shall not be sold as bondmen.
Leviticus 22:11 - But if the priest buy [any] soul with his money, he shall eat of it, and he that is born in his house: they shall eat of his meat.
Leviticus 19:20 - And whosoever lieth carnally with a woman, that [is] a bondmaid, betrothed to an husband, and not at all redeemed, nor freedom given her; she shall be scourged; they shall not be put to death, because she was not free.
Leviticus 19:18 - Thou shalt not avenge, nor bear any grudge against the children of thy people, but thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself: I [am] the LORD.
Exodus 21:7 - And if a man sell his daughter to be a maidservant, she shall not go out as the menservants do.
Exodus 20:17 - Thou shalt not covet thy neighbour’s house, thou shalt not covet thy neighbour’s wife, nor his manservant, nor his maidservant, nor his ox, nor his ass, nor any thing that [is] thy neighbour’s.
John 3:16 - For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.
2 Kings 4:1 - Now there cried a certain woman of the wives of the sons of the prophets unto Elisha, saying, Thy servant my husband is dead; and thou knowest that thy servant did fear the LORD: and the creditor is come to take unto him my two sons to be bondmen.
Leviticus 25:55 - For unto me the children of Israel [are] servants; they [are] my servants whom I brought forth out of the land of Egypt: I [am] the LORD your God.
Exodus 23:12 - Six days thou shalt do thy work, and on the seventh day thou shalt rest: that thine ox and thine ass may rest, and the son of thy handmaid, and the stranger, may be refreshed.
Exodus 21:7-11 - And if a man sell his daughter to be a maidservant, she shall not go out as the menservants do.
Ephesians 6:5-6 - Servants, be obedient to them that are [your] masters according to the flesh, with fear and trembling, in singleness of your heart, as unto Christ;
The Bible does not concern itself with the ordering of civil government.
I think you confirmed what I said, God destroyed Tyre and Sidon for their trafficking. Obviously there's nothing wrong with trafficking textiles and such, but slaves...no.
A person could murder someone not knowing that person had cancer saving that person a lot of suffering but that doesn't make murder OK.
So you actually think that if a group of Sudanese pirates overtake a cargo ship and sell the crew into slavery that that crew is obliged by the bible to treat those Sudanese as Christ??? No. The bible was not written in English and there will be times in a person's life where he will have employers, supervisors, governments, etc, that will legitimately have rule over a person. Slavery is not legitimate against another Christian after the crucifixion.
By the way, Ephesians 6:5 was one of the prime scriptures that were used to justify slavery in the South.
Yes, and that's what this is all about...ancestor worship by the neoRebs. They twist the Word to exonerate their plantation owners that came before them.
A person could murder someone not knowing that person had cancer saving that person a lot of suffering but that doesn't make murder OK.
Um, the book of Romans?
Um, "My Kingdom is not of this world", "Render Unto Caesar what is Caesar's" ?
Try reading what's actually written in scripture rather than force-fitting someone else’s interpretation or seeking to reach a conclusion based upon political or worldly concerns outside of it.
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