Posted on 01/14/2014 4:30:24 PM PST by SJackson
y intention for once is not get anyones ideological back up. I just want to talk about history, and its relationship to a new phenomenon among the so-called Christian Arabs, specifically those Arabs that are called Palestinian. Im sorry to cloud the issue with the facts, but heres the fact: you cant be by definition a Christian Arab or, more specifically, a Christian Palestinian.
The Christians predate the Muslim invasion by some 600 years. Christianity, as we know, started with a group of people surrounding Jesus of Nazareth, who lived from approximately 4 BCE to 32 CE. These Jesus followers, who initially were all Jewish, grew into the worldwide Christian religion, which now numbers 2-3 billion people. The initial group was divided among people who saw Jesus as the long awaited Jewish Messiah, and people who saw him as a divine figure, a kind of God incarnate. The first group basically disappeared when the Roman emperor, Constantine, adopted the latter view in the 4th century.
Some 300 years later, in the first half of the 7th century, a group of Arabs from the area of Mecca in modern Saudi Arabia, declared Muhammad to be the ultimate prophet of Allah i.e., God. These Muslims, as they came to be known, first conquered Arabia and then fanned out, creating an empire that stretched from the borders of China and the Indian subcontinent, across Central Asia, the Middle East, North Africa, Sicily, and the Iberian Peninsula, to the Pyrenees. In the course of building their empire, in 638 C.E., under Caliph Umar, the Islamic armies conquered the Holy Land i.e., modern Israel.
So the bedrock historical fact is that Christianity and Islam Christians and Arabs came face to face for the first time in the Holy Land/Palestine/Israel only in the 7th century. The incontrovertible historical fact is that the Arabs from Arabia came to the area of modern day Israel as conquerors. The Jews and the Christians, who were indigenous to the land, were the conquered. The Arabs were all Muslims. The Jews and the Christians were not, and are not, Arabs. It cant get any simpler.
What happened next? Many Jews and Christians were butchered, some were tolerated and still others were converted to the new religion. Despite the myth of Islamic tolerance of Jews and Christians, the fact is that by Islamic law, Jews and Christians are to be tolerated but not accorded equal status to Muslims. By definition, according to Islamic law, no Arab can convert to Judaism or Christianity. Islam will not allow it. It regards any conversion out of Islam as an act of apostasy, punishable by death. In September of last year, Nazir Ahmad Hanafi, Afghan Parliament Member, stated that any Afghani citizen who converts to Christianity should be executed. So even if, 1,300 years ago, some Arab converted to Christianity, he could not have broadcast this fact, nor set up a community of Christian Palestinians or Arabs. Put simply, every community of Christian Arabs is by definition not Arab.
This fact is easy to ascertain. All you have to do is enter any store selling Christian trinkets in the old city of Jerusalem and ask the Christian owner: are you an Arab? To be politically correct, after a moments hesitation, he might answer yes. But if you press the matter, and say I dont mean culturally. I dont mean do you like Hummus and do you listen to Arabic music. I simply mean; did your ancestors arrive in Israel with the conquering Arabs in the 7th century? The answer will always be: No. We were here before. What this means is that the so-called Christian Arabs of the Palestinian community are actually descendants of Aramians, Canaanites and yes Jews! Even DNA confirms this ethnic link.
The trouble has been that Jewish Israelis have not realized that the Christians living among the Palestinians are actually kinfolk. They have literally driven their Christian kinsmen into the Palestinian ideological camp. For their part, some of the local Christians tried to become more Palestinian than the Palestinians, founding and joining various anti-Israel terrorist groups. But pay careful attention; these groups are never Islamic groups. The most radical Christians among the Palestinians have expressed their Arab nationalism, by creating and joining non-Islamic, non-nationalist groups. Put simply, show me a Communist Palestinian terror group, and Ill show you a so-called Christian Arab group. For example, the Palestine Front for the Liberation of Palestine (PLFP), was founded by Dr. George Habash, a Christian, and the Democratic Front for the Liberation of Palestine (DFLP) was founded by Nayef Hawatmeh, also a Christian. In other words, the Christians among the Palestinians tried to reinvent themselves as Communist Palestinians.
The irony is that, as hard as these Christians tried to earn their Palestinian Arab credentials, they could not. Why? Because, as I wrote at the outset, theyre not Arabs. They know it. Their neighbors know it. More than this, everywhere in the Arab world Christians are persecuted. For example, Egypts natives i.e., the Copts, are Christian. How are they treated? They have been systematically discriminated against, raped and murdered.
Gunmen Kill Coptic Christian Outside Cairo Church; 4 Dead, Including 8-Year-Old And 12-Year-Old Girls Gunmen Kill Coptic Christian Outside Cairo Church; 4 Dead, Including 8-Year-Old And 12-Year-Old Girls
For their part, the so-called Palestinian Christians have been driven out of Bethlehem and any other town under Palestinian jurisdiction where they were the traditional majority.
But is this historical assessment relevant today? More than ever. As I write this, a new phenomenon is unfolding. The so-called Christian Arabs are coming out of the Jewish/Aramian closet, and declaring themselves as non-Arabs. The most dramatic example of this is Gabriel Nadaf, a Greek orthodox priest from Nazareth, who has become the symbol of the new phenomenon. Father Nadaf is the spiritual leader of a group of Christians living in Israel who are now reclaiming their Aramian Jewish past and fighting on the side of Israel against Islamic persecution of Christians in the Middle East. Most dramatically, Father Nadaf has called on Israeli Christian youth to serve in the Israel Defense Forces (IDF). He and his associates, such as Res. Captain (IDF) Shahdi Halul, have been responsible for a 300% rise in Christian enlistment in the IDF in the past year.
Father Nadaf recently stated on Israeli state television (Channel 1) that he is seeking full integration of Israels 130,000 Christians into Israeli society. Hes doing this, he said, because of his peoples history, and in light of what we see happening to Christians in Arab countries; how they are slaughtered and persecuted on a daily basis killed and raped just because they are Christians. Does this happen in the State of Israel? No, it doesnt!
This new Israeli-Christian phenomenon is something that should be embraced by all people who value ethnic survival and democracy. Some of the surviving Israeli-Christian communities still speak the language of the Gospels and the Talmud i.e., Aramaic. These people are preserving rituals that date back 2,000 years to the very dawn of Christianity, before it became a Roman religion.
The sad thing is that no one is going to embrace their cause any time soon. When the Pope comes to Israel in May, he is not going to visit the Israeli Christians in the IDF. That would be politically incorrect. Given that Mahmud Abbas, the leader of the Palestinian Authority, has now retroactively made Jesus a Palestinian, the Pope is not going to challenge Abbas. Rather, the Pope is going to celebrate Mass in Bethlehem, before an audience of Muslim Arabs pretending to be Christians for CNN cameras. The rest of the Christian world will also ignore the Christians of Israel. After all, these people are committed to serving in a Jewish army, as opposed to wanting to blow themselves up in Jerusalem pizzerias in the name of Islam. Unfortunately, Western liberals like the latter more than the former.
But spin doctors aside, we should all celebrate the fact that Aramian Christians have survived in the Holy Land and are now rejoining their Jewish brethren. For 1,400 years, Jews and Christians were dhimmis i.e., second-class citizens under Islamic rule. Now, they are joining forces in a democratic Israel.
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I thought that “Arab” is defined as someone whose mother tongue is Arabic. If this is correct, the author is simply wrong.
Historically illiterate propaganda. Unless one wants to use the word “Arab” in such a way that only people from the Arabian peninsula are “Arabs” — a defensible use, but not the one the author is using, since he considers all the antagonists of Israel to be “Arabs” — there most assuredly are Christian Arabs, or Arab Christians (and if one uses the word in the narrow sense, there had been Christian Arabs, and, for that matter Jewish Arabs).
That Muslim Arabs persecuted Jewish Arabs until there essentially ceased to be any, and that now some Muslim Arabs are trying to do the same to Christian Arabs in the Middle East does not change the fact that there are Christian Arabs. Perhaps the author of the piece can explain who such people as Patriarch John X of Antioch and All the East; Metropolitan Saba, Bishop of Bosra-Hauran; Archimandrite Touma [Bitar] or, for that matter, my own bishop, Bishop Basil of Wichita and Mid-America are if there are no Christian Arabs.
This is ridiculous. Arabs and other non-Arab but non-Jewish Middle easterners (such as the Iranians) were either pagan or Christian at the time of the invention of Islam.
This has nothing to do with ethnic groups. Anyway, since the time of St Paul, anybody could be a Christian - and most people in the ME were, until the disputes between the East and the West, combined with the power vacuum after the fall of Rome, weakened the Church so much that the lunatic Mohammed could sweep in.
> the bedrock historical fact is that Christianity and Islam Christians and Arabs came face to face for the first time in the Holy Land/Palestine/Israel only in the 7th century. The incontrovertible historical fact is that the Arabs from Arabia came to the area of modern day Israel as conquerors. The Jews and the Christians, who were indigenous to the land, were the conquered. The Arabs were all Muslims. The Jews and the Christians were not, and are not, Arabs. It cant get any simpler.
Thanks SJackson.
That is absolutely true, and unknown to a lot of people.
http://www.fordham.edu/halsall/source/pact-umar.asp
and those who chose not to live as a dhimmi according to the Pact of Umar they were forced to sign, converted to islam, but that didn’t make them arabs...
All this hoopla over something that a DNA analysis could resolve unquestionably.
I’ve known two whose ancestral lineage goes to what is now Israel. One was Catholic, the other Anglican. The Catholic became a priest and he was actually required to provide documentation going back five generations showing he was Roman Rite in the seminary. The Anglican’s father had been kicked off of his family’s farm which had been in the family 300 years. Family names are Saad and Amar. Sound pretty Arabic to me.
Acknowledging that thre have been Arabs living in the region in no way means that one is against Jews or a Jewish state.
He was both the Messiah and the Son of God.
The Acts of the Apostles, Chapter 2, has solved this.
The Palestinian Christians — who are a special target of the Israeli right-wing — date themselves from the first Pentecost, with good reason. Arabs were there. See esp. Acts 2:11.
Unless you think, as may Jacobovici, that “These men are full of new wine.”
This theory is easy enough to check, via DNA tests. It would open up a can of worms, though, if true. How does the Right of Return work in this case?
And Israeli and “Palestinian” Christians would be descended not from Israelite converts (Jewihs or Samaritan) but from the Roman colonists who settled, enslaved, and drove our Jews. They no this. Hence their ideological and religious support for supercessionist Replacement Theology.
False. you can be a Christian of Arab background. historical Arab tribes like the Ghassanids and Lakhmids were Christian before Islam and they lived in what is now upper Saudia and lower Iraq
Also the Christians in Israel and the West Bank are also descendants of the earliest Christians
No, the latter is false. Arabs may be Moslems, but Arab != Moslem
the second part is also patently false came face to face for the first time in the Holy Land/Palestine/Israel only in the 7th century. christians and moslems came face to face not for the first time in Israel, but further south -- there were Christians in the Arabian peninsula, Yemen was a Christian state under the Ethiopian kings and there were Nestorian and Arian Christians even in Mecca
genetically your statement is false. These are semitic Christians
In ancient times (before Mohammed) the Arabs living in northern Arabia and surrounding areas spoke Aramaic, not Arabic. I have heard them called “Ishmaelite Arabs”, as opposed to the “True Arabs” living farther south. Why can’t today’s Christian Arabs be descended from them?
Considering the crap that they must endure in Bethlehem, Jerusalem and Beit Jaalah, Christians moving closer to Jews in Israel is emblematic of Christians everywhere where they have contact with Muslims. They are persecuted, murdered, robbed and intimidated everywhere, including Dearbourne, Michigan. That’s why Israel’s logical ally should not be the US, but eastern minorities, such as Christians, but also India, the Kurds, the Alawites, the Baluchi, the Bahai. Muslim society has no respect for minority rights whatever. The only alternative is to make them fear us. Piece has been done to death. So has any hope for peace.
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