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How Free Trade Is Killing Middle America
The American Conservative ^ | Jan. 24, 2014 | Patrick J. Buchanan

Posted on 01/24/2014 6:36:50 AM PST by 1rudeboy

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To: Mad Dawgg
"The time for fixing the system is over. Its time to dismantle the system and start from scratch."

So you're rooting for the dismantling of America, so you can start from scratch. Just wanted everyone to be clear where you stand.

181 posted on 01/24/2014 1:01:29 PM PST by DannyTN (A>)
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To: Pietro
the new economy holds far greater potential for benefits than turning back the clock to assembly line/factory jobs.

Meanwhile, what do you suggest we do with the half of mankind having IQ's of less than 100 . . . put them on the dole until we can print them new brains?

182 posted on 01/24/2014 1:14:10 PM PST by Age of Reason
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To: DannyTN
"So you're rooting for the dismantling of America"

No I want to dismantle the Unionista/Big Gub'ment system that you and your ilk keeping making bigger and start from scratch.

First step eliminate the Gub'ment meddling in the markets This includes Obamacare, mandatory Minimum wages, over regulation by the EPA OSHA and all the other usesless government make-work agencies. Remove payroll deductions and make it mandatory everyone write a check for their taxes and that check must be postmarked/ internet time stamped between October 1st and Oct. 30th. Also Tax brackets and deductions. Every one pays the same rate (and that means everyone) and No deductions for anything period. Churches, Charities, Mega Corps and even businesses who operate off shore will pay the same rate.

Step Two is every state is a right to work state.

Step Three: Close the damn borders all of them and not with a fence but a freaking 20 foot high wall that is deep enough to drive two cars side by side on top. then bring most of the troops home and have them man the walls. Have the Navy help with guarding the coast.

Step Four stand back and watch and when the dust clears the economy will soar and Unions and Big Gub'ment types will forever be crushed!

183 posted on 01/24/2014 1:17:14 PM PST by Mad Dawgg (If you're going to deny my 1st Amendment rights then I must proceed to the 2nd one...)
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To: 1rudeboy

You’re wasting your time having an economic debate with unionists.

Their Communist/Socialist leaders ate their brains.


184 posted on 01/24/2014 1:35:37 PM PST by Beagle8U (Unions are Affirmative Action for Slackers! .)
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To: Age of Reason
"IQ's of less than 100"

Well, in the first place we have to stop importing them.

And then there is the secondary markets; building trades, repairmen, delivery drivers, store clerks, etc that are just as important as any other type of work.

185 posted on 01/24/2014 1:51:25 PM PST by Pietro
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To: Mad Dawgg

Again, the wage differentials dwarf the cost of compliance.

Even if you could accomplish all of that, we’d still be off-shoring faster than we can create new jobs. Not saying that your reforms wouldn’t help some, but not enough.

Plus, I don’t think removing payroll deductions is politically feasible. And I don’t think a flat tax is fair or a good idea. The rest might be feasible, but it’s insufficient to stop the off-shoring.


186 posted on 01/24/2014 1:54:15 PM PST by DannyTN (A>)
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To: Mad Dawgg

Again, the wage differentials dwarf the cost of compliance.

Even if you could accomplish all of that, we’d still be off-shoring faster than we can create new jobs. Not saying that your reforms wouldn’t help some, but not enough.

Plus, I don’t think removing payroll deductions is politically feasible. And I don’t think a flat tax is fair or a good idea. The rest might be feasible, but it’s insufficient to stop the off-shoring.


187 posted on 01/24/2014 1:54:16 PM PST by DannyTN (A>)
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To: DannyTN
Again, the wage differentials dwarf the cost of compliance.

Well I've been in business for over 35 years and I can safely say you have not a freaking clue about what you claim.

The cost of compliance dwarfs the cost of labor because the cost of compliance multiplies labor costs.

Starting with mandatory minimum wages and matching funds required by the Gub'ment and then adding in all the other Compliance costs that have to do with the Gub'ment "make-work" agencies.

And don't forget the FED devaluing the dollar faster than you can saw Unionista.

188 posted on 01/24/2014 2:05:21 PM PST by Mad Dawgg (If you're going to deny my 1st Amendment rights then I must proceed to the 2nd one...)
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To: central_va

Total Labor Union membership in private sector runs about 12%, so my guess is that manufacturing is way way low, perhaps around the 3%-5% — in specific hands on product manufacturing.

No need to guess though, the definitive is:
http://www.bls.gov/news.release/union2.nr0.htm

If the point you’re trying to make is it’s too little to be concerned about then you’re not understanding the numbers here. 10% of a ginormous number is still a huge number. Project that back to the 70’s when it was more like 20%, then take into account parasitic and cannibalistic nature of funding, deficit spending, inflation , huge yearly trade deficits and taxation on interest and dividends and finally the burgeoning bureaucracy and the ever increasing tooth to tail ratio.


189 posted on 01/24/2014 2:10:15 PM PST by Usagi_yo
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To: Mad Dawgg; dragnet2
no you see both of you have missed why real wages have decreased and it has nothing to do with tariffs or Unions or EPA etc.

The minimum wage has increased several hundred percent.

But the dollar has been gutted by printing more and more money.

Real wages are gutted by the FED.


cc: dragnet2

Mad Dawgg,

Reread my post 17

In addition to helping hide the loss of buying power through facilitating cheap credit, the Fed has aided and abeted international corporate and finance through its inflationary policies.

The Federal Reserve: Money Printer for Wall Street’s Benefit
190 posted on 01/24/2014 2:29:07 PM PST by khelus
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To: DannyTN
As has been explained to you countless times before: if a domestic manufacturer cannot compete making screwdrivers if the market price is $1.00, then, when your tariff raises the market price to $1.10 (to save jobs, dontcha know), the domestic manufacturer will raise the price to $1.09 (if it is smart).

So that's the $0.09 subsidy you expect me to pay (to save jobs, dontcha know) by buying a domestic screwdriver. Well, multiply that 10% across the whole economy. Who is worried about my job because I have less money? Not you.

191 posted on 01/24/2014 2:29:16 PM PST by 1rudeboy
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To: 1rudeboy
But the NEXT factory will be built here, not in China.

Its about the NEXT factory, tariffs would influence manufacturers considering moving offshore. In this case it is a good influence.

192 posted on 01/24/2014 2:34:19 PM PST by central_va (I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: central_va

So I lost my job (and possibly went on food stamps) so the next screwdriver factory can be built here. Who says government can’t work?


193 posted on 01/24/2014 2:35:51 PM PST by 1rudeboy
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To: 1rudeboy

Well maybe free traders are right, those people, our fellow Americans, that used to work in manufacturing that couldn’t cut it becoming brain surgeons should just commit suicide.


194 posted on 01/24/2014 2:39:55 PM PST by central_va (I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: khelus
I read your post 117 and it doesn't mention the FED.

Further the main reason the FED inflates the money supply is to pay the Debt of the Government. It is not at the behest of Corporate America.

Devaluing the dollar doesn't make them richer it just devalues their dollar the same as mine and your dollars.

Real wages have diminished because buying power of the dollar has diminished and this is due to the FED and no one else.

195 posted on 01/24/2014 2:40:05 PM PST by Mad Dawgg (If you're going to deny my 1st Amendment rights then I must proceed to the 2nd one...)
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To: cripplecreek
If we want to bring manufacturing back to America we can only do it through regulatory and tax reform. (The core tea party tenets)

Absolutely.

Reagan was right. The size, scope, and cost of government must be reduced, not increased.

196 posted on 01/24/2014 2:45:23 PM PST by cynwoody
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To: central_va

When all else fails, change the subject (again).


197 posted on 01/24/2014 2:45:24 PM PST by 1rudeboy
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To: central_va; 1rudeboy
"Its about the NEXT factory, tariffs would influence manufacturers considering moving offshore."

Yeah.

In a related story.

If you like your insurance you can keep your insurance...

198 posted on 01/24/2014 2:49:06 PM PST by Mad Dawgg (If you're going to deny my 1st Amendment rights then I must proceed to the 2nd one...)
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To: Mad Dawgg

“If you don’t like your tariff, you don’t have to pay your tariff. Period.”


199 posted on 01/24/2014 2:51:56 PM PST by 1rudeboy
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To: Beagle8U
You’re wasting your time having an economic debate with unionists. Their Communist/Socialist leaders ate their brains.

This gets so confusing the protectionist are called communists by the free traders who in turn get in bed with Communist China to produce our consumer goods using slave labor? Wait, What?

200 posted on 01/24/2014 2:54:40 PM PST by central_va (I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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