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States Consider Firing Squad as Alternative to Lethal Injection
Wall Street Journal ^ | Jan 28, 2014 | Jacob Gershman

Posted on 01/28/2014 12:56:48 PM PST by Second Amendment First

As death penalty states struggle to obtain drugs suitable for lethal injections, more old-fashioned methods of executing prisoners are getting another look.

Lawmakers in Missouri and Wyoming have introduced measures this month that would give their states an option to use firing squads — instead of lethal drugs — to carry out executions. Another bill proposed by a Virginia lawmaker would authorize death by electrocution if lethal injection isn’t possible.

The measures have surfaced as a number of pharmaceutical firms have barred corrections departments from buying drugs that could be used in executions, forcing states to scramble for other suppliers and to experiment with alternative drugs.

The botched, 26-minute execution of an Ohio inmate earlier this month — using a cocktail of chemicals never before used in a U.S. execution — underscored the problem.

“This isn’t an attempt to time-warp back into the 1850s or the wild, wild West or anything like that,” Missouri state Rep. Rick Brattin, who sponsored the fire squad legislation, told the Associated Press, which reported on the bills. “It’s just that I foresee a problem, and I’m trying to come up with a solution that will be the most humane yet most economical for our state.”

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To: Second Amendment First

I think the “modern” attempts to prettify judicial executions (beginning with the electric chair, but including also the gas chamber and now medical execution) have made the problem worse.

Despite the understandable feeling that the deed should involve a high-speed cordless drill or hot oil, the fact is that society demands and will continue to demand that the execution be fast and not associated with anger or savagery on the part of the executioner.

Long drop hanging or mechanical beheading both accomplish these necessary criteria, a firing squad may or may not.


141 posted on 01/30/2014 4:48:09 AM PST by Jim Noble (When strong, avoid them. Attack their weaknesses. Emerge to their surprise.)
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To: NorthMountain

You’re babbling on. Clarify what you’re saying if it’s not either/or.


142 posted on 01/30/2014 8:25:21 AM PST by PapaNew
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To: bert
Society can make punishment as it sees fit

Yup - but doesn't make it right.

Execution is not only justified but required to prevent terrible crimes

Nope, execution is unjust and overhauling the penal/justice system to keep dangerous criminals separated from society prevents re-occurrence.

143 posted on 01/30/2014 8:28:57 AM PST by PapaNew
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To: PapaNew

I would go for doing away with the death penalty if we sent all criminals to a remote prison in Alaska.


144 posted on 01/30/2014 8:30:20 AM PST by dfwgator
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To: PapaNew
Again, read what I wrote. Do not read into what I wrote. At no point did I exclude the possibility of incarcerating some criminals, to protect society from their probable future crimes.

In effect, you accused me of committing the fallacy of the excluded middle. You did so incorrectly. The logical conclusion of your line of reasoning is that some criminals should be released immediately, some criminals should be incarcerated for an indefinite time (while they are persuaded somehow not to offend again), and that some criminals must simply be killed, as they are certain to re-offend or cannot be trusted not to reoffend. Furthermore, the decision (release, incarcerate, kill) has nothing to do with the severity of the offense and everything to do with the probability of recidivism.

I don't accept that conclusion; I also don't accept your premise that punishment is forbidden. I have examined your line of reasoning and rejected it.

Is that clear enough for you?

145 posted on 01/30/2014 8:36:29 AM PST by NorthMountain
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To: NorthMountain
Is that clear enough for you?

Your statements about incarceration versus death are hard to follow.

You're clear about not rejecting punishment but you're not clear why (is double jeopardy OK with you, do you say that punishment is not double jeopardy, etc., etc.).

It's OK, man, don't worry about it. Have a good day.

146 posted on 01/30/2014 9:20:41 AM PST by PapaNew
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To: PapaNew
I reject the notion that punishment is double jeopardy. But even if I stipulate, for discussion, that for whatever reason "protection from future repeat criminal acts" is the only reason for sentencing a convicted criminal, killing the criminal is not excluded. Re-read #142.
147 posted on 01/30/2014 9:33:45 AM PST by NorthMountain
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To: PapaNew

You are very wrong.

Your new order thinking is what is wrong with America and responsible for the deplorable state of affairs.


148 posted on 01/30/2014 10:12:38 AM PST by bert ((K.E. N.P. N.C. +12 ..... History is a process, not an event)
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To: bert

Nice assertion. No supporting reasoning based on what I have said.


149 posted on 01/30/2014 11:12:38 AM PST by PapaNew
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To: Second Amendment First
The death penalty is another attempt, like Obamacare but for different reasons, to do the wrong thing the right way. The reason they can't find the right way to execute prisoners is there really is no right way to do the wrong thing.

But for the grace and mercy of God go you and I. Many if not most of the time these were themselves victims in their early life. These should be reasons to pause, but are not the most dispositive, definitive reasons to cease unjust capital punishment.

- People think the death penalty serves justice because it's an "eye for an eye." Fair enough except for one problem: Somebody has already paid "an eye for an eye" for those criminals and their heinous acts, so unjust double jeopardy is in play here.
- What about the victims and their family? Countless personal and professional examples testify to the fact that there is only one way victims of savagery can recover from the hurt and angst of victimization: forgiveness. Revenge feels good for awhile but does not relieve the pain.
- What about society? You lock up dangerous criminals to protect society.
- What about the cost? Oh, OK well I guess there is such thing as killing for convenience, but let's take another tack which hits directly at our medieval penal system: prisoners should be productive and at least pay their way in prison.

150 posted on 01/30/2014 11:17:22 AM PST by PapaNew
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To: PapaNew
they can't find the right way to execute prisoners

Oh BS there are half dozen "right ways" to execute a prisoner starting with the gallows.

151 posted on 01/30/2014 11:19:05 AM PST by turducken
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To: Second Amendment First
The death penalty is another attempt, like Obamacare but for different reasons, to do the wrong thing the right way. The reason they can't find the right way to execute prisoners is there really is no right way to do the wrong thing.

But for the grace and mercy of God go you and I. Many if not most of the time these were themselves victims in their early life. These should be reasons to pause, but are not the most dispositive, definitive reasons to cease unjust capital punishment.

- People think the death penalty serves justice because it's an "eye for an eye." Fair enough except for one problem: Somebody has already paid "an eye for an eye" for those criminals and their heinous acts, so unjust double jeopardy is in play here.
- What about the victims and their family? Countless personal and professional examples testify to the fact that there is only one way victims of savagery can recover from the hurt and angst of victimization: forgiveness. Revenge feels good for awhile but does not relieve the pain.
- What about society? You lock up dangerous criminals to protect society.
- What about the cost? Oh, OK well I guess there is such thing as killing for convenience, but let's take another tack which hits directly at our medieval penal system: prisoners should be productive and at least pay their way in prison.

152 posted on 01/30/2014 11:19:22 AM PST by PapaNew
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To: PapaNew

None required.

The facts are self evident


153 posted on 01/30/2014 12:05:38 PM PST by bert ((K.E. N.P. N.C. +12 ..... History is a process, not an event)
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To: bert

But your reasoning is not. Flat assertions are no argument.


154 posted on 01/30/2014 12:20:13 PM PST by PapaNew
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