Posted on 01/28/2014 5:42:38 PM PST by 2ndDivisionVet
very bad idea
Serve the state, get a vote
What about all those who are not statist?
I hope those who vote are the only paying taxes too
I’d like to see the minimum legal age for abortion be set at 70. That should put those butchers at Planned Parenthood out of business once and for all.
In Heinlein’s Starship Trooper’s you could only vote after proving you were willing to risk your life for the greater good of society.
In it the government discouraged people from joining the military or other civil services as they only wanted those who really wanted to serve and had the moral capacity to do so. It is an entirely different system from reality today.
“greater good of society”
individual right is a much better idea
Why don’t you read it and get back to us
I am sure its a fine book, probably makes perfect sense on their world.
Here and now individual rights and freedom ARE the greater good of society
I like the way you think.
Just damn
It’s not a glamour sport
Really? How about no voting? No drinking? No trial by jury? No due process? Perhaps a 10-day “cooling off” period before their posts show up on Facebook? What other bright ideas does Britain’s chief reject have?
Does this guy go on a bender before each show? Or does this level of stupid just come naturally to him?
Oh, they still had individual rights. The difference lay in the right to hold public office and to vote. I am exaggerating for effect, but allowing a 19 year old dopehead the same voice in how our society governs itself as a responsible father or mother who actually cares what kind of nation their children and grandchildren will grow up in is suboptimal.
It leads to- well look at what we are becoming, it leads to this.
Nope and yer both better than me.
but only those who submit to master government and love big brother get to vote
No soup for imported twits.
I like the Heinlein model as a general concept, until I remember tools like McCain, Murtha, Reid, Kerry and Gore, to name a few “veterans”. Of course, Heinleins “Federal Service” would have almost assuredly rejected such rubbish as recruits.
This story has really got me thinking: http://tvnz.co.nz/national-news/school-ditches-rules-and-loses-bullies-5807957
Even little kids can manage their own affairs and create natural order where there seems to be chaos. Adults, via the government school program, seem to no longer believe they can manage their own affairs.
Umm no, you can read the book, and it is fiction but you are equating service to your nation/or fellow citizens as being support for a tyrannical system.
In the book EVERYONE who serves starts out as a private or the civil service equivalent. Also, the service is really a sacrifice. Imagine a 75% dropout rate and a 5% mortality rate- in peacetime from the training. So there is no political overclass. In fact, many of the wealthier citizens tend to look down upon serving and voting (as they would never stoop to something as base as service).
Personally, I am not advocating it- but some aspects of it have merit. I believe a better start would be no voting rights if you rely on government assistance for basic needs or if you pay no taxes. Lifetime exemptions given to veterans or civil servants who served in hazardous duty.
“service” to massa gubmint should get one nothing but a paycheck (hopefully)
Also, interestingly, Heinlein had the civil service side have positions available for anyone with the mental capacity to take an oath. (You’re a paraplegic with a heart condition and blind but you really want to be able to vote? OK, we think it is a bad idea but we will figure out some kind of semi hazardous duty you can perform in order to earn the right.
The thing you have to remember is-Heinlein wasn’t describing a new political system, He was telling a story about an entirely different society with different values from our own. Our society does not currently have enough altruism in it to consider such a system.
Well I’m not an Ayn Rand fan. Service to others, specifically through Churches and when necessary and appropriate in military service has its place and is a good thing in and of itself. John 15:13.
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