No, this is cleaver.
Posted on 02/06/2014 8:33:34 AM PST by PapaNew
Creationist Ken Ham is having his 15 minutes, following a live debate on evolution held between himself and Bill Nye “The Science Guy” on Tuesday.
And while you’d expect most folks to deem Nye the winner (which they have), Ham is receiving criticism from a source you might not expect: televangelist Pat Robertson.
On the Wednesday edition of his TV show, “The 700 Club,” Robertson indirectly implored Ham to put a sock in it, criticizing Ham’s view that the Earth is only 6,000 years old.
“Let’s face it, there was a bishop [James Ussher] … who added up the dates listed in Genesis and he came up with the world had been around for 6,000 years,” Robertson began. “There ain’t no way that’s possible … To say that it all came about in 6,000 years is just nonsense and I think it’s time we come off of that stuff and say this isn’t possible.”
“We’ve got to be realistic that the dating of Bishop Ussher just doesn’t comport with anything that’s found in science,” Robertson continued, “and you can’t just totally deny the geological formations that are out there.”
“Let’s be real,” Robertson begged, “let’s not make a joke of ourselves.”
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Yes, the Bible does, through its genealogies, say that the Earth is 6000 years old.
The “gaps” are called out in the prophets, when certain individuals were removed for their idolatry. It all works out quite well.
“Usher’s work is true science”
You’ve obviously have never read his work.
“What I see is an effort among secularists, an attempt to convince us that we must embrace uncertainty.”
Our need for certainty and predictable outcomes is a biological imperative and evolved as a method of survival. But wanting certainty does not mean all is and can be certain just because it makes us more comfortable.
Seriously ?
You think all Christians are snake handlers or are blinded by the word ?
You may need to brush up on this issue.
and according to scripture Jesus was there in the beginning of creation, John 1, “In the beginning was the word”.. The favorite verse of Pelosi. I doubt she even knew what it meant.
I think the word arbitrary doesn’t mean what you think it does.
Adam’s and his descendants ages at the times their children were born are all called out in extreme detail, making computation of the length of the genealogies mostly a rote task, except for those whose names were left out deliberately, but covered in the prophets.
The New Testament genealogies finish off the job up to the birth of Yeshua, which is a known date. The differences in the two NT genealogies is because one is of Joseph (irrelevent) and the other is of Mary.
Our need for certainty and predictable outcomes..
That is a requirement of science and the scientific method.
..is a biological imperative and evolved as a method of survival.
That is a circular argument.
God reveals Himself through the Word and also through His Creation. If the study of Creation reveals facts that seem to contradict the Word we must reexamine our assumptions about Scripture.
That’s cleaver.
>> “The more I’ve learned to read the original Hebrew of Genesis, the more comfortable I am that the six days of creation can just as easily be six ages or epochs of creation without requiring doing violence to or allegorizing the text.” <<
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There is no reason to go through those gymnastics. Quantum Physics does support the 6000 years in a general sense.
>> “If the study of Creation reveals facts that seem to contradict the Word we must reexamine our assumptions about Scripture.” <<
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No contradictions have ever been factually established.
One needs to examine what has been proffered as ‘evidence’ for an old Earth or for evolution, and it is truly laughable up close.
I could rephrase it slightly.
Our need for certainty and predictable outcomes is a biological imperative imbued in us by our creator as a method of survival. But wanting certainty does not mean all is and can be certain just because it makes us more comfortable.
But I’m not asking about Adam’s descendants. I’ve read (skimmed) that part like I skimmed the whaling chapters of Moby Dick. I was not trying to recreate the timeline when reading the Bible just as I was not interested in the minutiae of whaling when reading Moby Dick.
I’m asking how long was Adam in Eden before God created Eve. How long was Eve in Eden before her unfortunate encounter with the serpent? Seems that has a direct impact on the timing of creation, given that it happened between creation and today.
Neither was Ham.
The Bible says it was a day.
The speed of light and the fact that we can even see the center of our own galaxy does not support 6000 years. And since when does doing one’s exegesis on the original languages instead of a translation count as “gymnastics”?
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