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Pat Robertson begs Ken Ham to shut up
Salon Media Group ^ | 02/05/2014 | Elias Isquith

Posted on 02/06/2014 8:33:34 AM PST by PapaNew

Creationist Ken Ham is having his 15 minutes, following a live debate on evolution held between himself and Bill Nye “The Science Guy” on Tuesday.

And while you’d expect most folks to deem Nye the winner (which they have), Ham is receiving criticism from a source you might not expect: televangelist Pat Robertson.

On the Wednesday edition of his TV show, “The 700 Club,” Robertson indirectly implored Ham to put a sock in it, criticizing Ham’s view that the Earth is only 6,000 years old.

“Let’s face it, there was a bishop [James Ussher] … who added up the dates listed in Genesis and he came up with the world had been around for 6,000 years,” Robertson began. “There ain’t no way that’s possible … To say that it all came about in 6,000 years is just nonsense and I think it’s time we come off of that stuff and say this isn’t possible.”

“We’ve got to be realistic that the dating of Bishop Ussher just doesn’t comport with anything that’s found in science,” Robertson continued, “and you can’t just totally deny the geological formations that are out there.”

“Let’s be real,” Robertson begged, “let’s not make a joke of ourselves.”

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TOPICS: Culture/Society; News/Current Events; Philosophy
KEYWORDS: creation; creationism; darwinism; debate; eliasisquith; hamnyedebate; intelligentdesign; jamesussher; kenham; patrobertson; salon; the700club; youngearth
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To: Oliviaforever
If we came from monkeys then why are there still monkeys.

Foolish questions like that only make creationists look dumb.

161 posted on 02/06/2014 12:01:34 PM PST by DoodleDawg
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To: editor-surveyor
Quantum Physics does support the 6000 years in a general sense.

Oh my goodness...I would love to hear you elaborate on quantum physics. It should be a riot.
162 posted on 02/06/2014 12:02:27 PM PST by ZX12R (Never forget the heroes of Benghazi, who were abandoned to their deaths by Obama)
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To: Fuzz

yes


163 posted on 02/06/2014 12:04:08 PM PST by babygene ( .)
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To: Oliviaforever
That is certainly damning evidence against Bill Nye as it is apparent that he took money for his attempt to influence our children to go against God and to buy into this evolution nonsense.

Which, I guess, means that Ham paid to have Nye try to influence our children to go against God and by into this evolution nonsense.

164 posted on 02/06/2014 12:05:08 PM PST by DoodleDawg
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To: ZX12R

Go to Setterfield’s site if you want the development, http://www.setterfield.org/

He is an astronomer and a physicist, and no one has accepted any challenge from him.(yet anyway)


165 posted on 02/06/2014 12:05:45 PM PST by editor-surveyor (Freepers: Not as smart as I'd hoped they'd be)
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To: DoodleDawg
Foolish questions like that only make creationists look dumb.

Instead of "dumb", I would suggest:

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166 posted on 02/06/2014 12:06:11 PM PST by ZX12R (Never forget the heroes of Benghazi, who were abandoned to their deaths by Obama)
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To: ZX12R

You’re pretty new here, so I guess that’s why you keep making a fool of yourself?

This stuff has been batted around here for 15 years.
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167 posted on 02/06/2014 12:09:00 PM PST by editor-surveyor (Freepers: Not as smart as I'd hoped they'd be)
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To: ZX12R

Nice pic, did your Mom shoot it?


168 posted on 02/06/2014 12:09:55 PM PST by editor-surveyor (Freepers: Not as smart as I'd hoped they'd be)
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To: Fuzz
I could rephrase it slightly.

Our need for certainty and predictable outcomes is a biological imperative imbued in us by our creator as a method of survival. But wanting certainty does not mean all is and can be certain just because it makes us more comfortable.

Better.

Drop the "method of survival" part.

But wanting certainty does not mean all is and can be certain just because it makes us more comfortable.

Are you suggesting the desire for certainty/truth is an illusion ?

Don't be shy, many deep thinkers have suggested this before.

169 posted on 02/06/2014 12:11:28 PM PST by Zeneta
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To: Heartlander
Agreed. It is ‘ adiaphora ’ - not necessary for salvation.

From your link:

So in a general sense, adiaphora means those Christian teachings which are neutral, things that are neither commanded nor forbidden in Scripture. An example of this might be what color of carpet to have in a church, or what time of the day a service should be held. Sometimes there is debate within Christianity on what may or may not be adiaphora.

I don't think this issue is an adiaphoron. While the 6k age is something man-made in that it isn't commanded or forbidden in scripture, creation is described there.

170 posted on 02/06/2014 12:11:53 PM PST by xone
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To: editor-surveyor
"genealogies"

There isn't a solid story line from person to person in the Bible such as to support calling the Biblical stories a genealogy.

171 posted on 02/06/2014 12:18:06 PM PST by CodeToad (When ignorance rules a person's decision they are resorting to superstition.)
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To: editor-surveyor
You’re pretty new here, so I guess that’s why you keep making a fool of yourself?

Due to your headlong dive into deep religious fervor and lunacy, you've lost your grasp of actual reality, and I'M making a fool of myself?

As long as you only associate with fellow loons, you can get away with it, but spend some time around normal Christians and others, and all of them will look at you funny and probably be correct in fearing your potential behavior. You exist in La La land.
172 posted on 02/06/2014 12:18:51 PM PST by ZX12R (Never forget the heroes of Benghazi, who were abandoned to their deaths by Obama)
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To: ZX12R

You’re the best comic relief we’ve had here in a decade.


173 posted on 02/06/2014 12:19:54 PM PST by editor-surveyor (Freepers: Not as smart as I'd hoped they'd be)
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To: DManA
I think the word arbitrary doesn’t mean what you think it does.

Differing definitions is a possibility. I understand you to be satisfied with the numbers geologists propose. That's fine. There is much about their work I appreciate, but I feel in no way obligated to accept whatever they propose. That would be arbitrary, too. Quantum mechanics is creeping up on a reality that makes a billion year proposition as relevant as a nanosecond proposition, all of which is very much in accord with what the biblical text teach regarding the Creator.

174 posted on 02/06/2014 12:19:55 PM PST by Fester Chugabrew
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To: CodeToad

You crack me up.

I was going to use that exact image.

LOL


175 posted on 02/06/2014 12:20:29 PM PST by Zeneta
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To: CodeToad

You’re completely wrong, but that is probably due to the dearth of time you have spent studying the issue.

The genealogies contain specific ages of parents at the birth of the child.


176 posted on 02/06/2014 12:22:38 PM PST by editor-surveyor (Freepers: Not as smart as I'd hoped they'd be)
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To: editor-surveyor
You’re the best comic relief we’ve had here in a decade.

I'm glad I add something to this...ahem...important debate.

I think I'll go find one of those "exorcism and demons in Indiana" threads and look for more of your kind. You are probably their leader.
177 posted on 02/06/2014 12:27:14 PM PST by ZX12R (Never forget the heroes of Benghazi, who were abandoned to their deaths by Obama)
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To: Zeneta

“Are you suggesting the desire for certainty/truth is an illusion ?”

No.

“wanting certainty does not mean all is and can be certain just because it makes us more comfortable.”

Not suggested, implied or insinuated.


178 posted on 02/06/2014 12:30:55 PM PST by Fuzz
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To: DoodleDawg

No. Nye took the hard earned money from the Creation Museum not only under his misguided attempted to lead our children and apparently even some adults astray, but also out if pure greed.


179 posted on 02/06/2014 12:33:38 PM PST by Oliviaforever
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To: editor-surveyor; CodeToad

So it’s not 6000 years but instead 7000 or 8000 or 10,000. That’s still a whole lot different than the 4.6 billion years that science teaches and is still a number that flies in the face of scientific evidence. Yet we’re supposed to belive that Science is wrong because Ham said so, and that Ham is right because he claims God said so? No thanks.


180 posted on 02/06/2014 12:33:52 PM PST by DoodleDawg
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