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Number of Obamacare sign-ups is greatly inflated [a churn operation]
Washington Examiner ^ | February 6, 2014 | Byron York

Posted on 02/07/2014 4:32:48 AM PST by Cincinatus' Wife

Democrats from President Obama on down have been touting Obamacare's sign-up numbers. Even after the system's disastrous rollout, they like to point out, roughly three million people have signed up for private insurance, while 6.3 million have signed up for Medicaid.

"Already, because of the Affordable Care Act, more than nine million Americans have signed up for private health insurance or Medicaid coverage," Obama said in the State of the Union speech. "Nine million."

The number is a little larger now, since the figures are a few weeks old. But there is strong new evidence to suggest the administration's claims are grossly exaggerated and deeply misleading. Obamacare is not doing nearly as well as the president wants you to believe.

First, Medicaid. This week, the health consulting firm Avalere found that only 1 to 2 million of the 6.3 million who signed up for Medicaid were new enrollees brought into the program by Obamacare. The rest were people who were eligible and would have signed up for Medicaid irrespective of Obamacare, in addition to people who were already on Medicaid but were renewing their status. (The researchers reached their conclusion by comparing the Obamacare sign-ups with a recent period before the new health law went into effect.)

If the Avalere report is accurate — and experts are taking it seriously — then less than one-third, and perhaps less than one-quarter, of the new Medicaid sign-ups cited by the administration were previously uninsured people gaining coverage because of Obamacare. That's a major shortfall.

The numbers are important not only for policy, but for politics. In recent months, as the failures of the Obamacare website left the administration reeling and its supporters disheartened, Democrats often pointed to the number of Medicaid sign-ups as an example — the only example — of a shining success for Obamacare. Now that success looks a lot less shiny.

"It's a surprise because of all the outreach and the fact that Medicaid is free — there is no premium paid by individuals," said health care analyst Bob Laszewski. "This really is perplexing — they can't give it away!"

Then there are the roughly three million people said to have signed up for private insurance. In mid-January, the Wall Street Journal reported that a relatively small percentage of the new sign-ups were previously uninsured Americans gaining coverage through Obamacare. The rest were people who were covered and lost that coverage in the market disruptions largely caused by Obamacare.

A McKinsey and Co. survey cited by the Journal found that just 11 percent of private insurance signups were people who previously had no coverage. Other surveys found that about one-quarter of new sign-ups were previously uninsured.

Whatever the precise number, it appears that a large majority of the activity in Obamacare private coverage sign-ups is essentially a churn operation: The system throws people out of their coverage, and then those people come to the system to sign up for new coverage, and that is reported as a gain for Obamacare.

Put the two together — Medicaid and private insurance — and it's clear the response of the nation's uninsured to Obamacare has been far less enthusiastic than the administration claims. Which means that the Affordable Care Act has gotten off to a terrible start at its core mission, insuring the uninsured.

The Congressional Budget Office has estimated there are 57 million uninsured people in the United States. Even if Obamacare worked perfectly, an estimated 31 million would remain uninsured when the law is fully in effect. And if Obamacare continues to sputter and fail as it has so far, that number of still-uninsured could be much higher. Was it worth roiling the nation's health care system to achieve such lackluster results?

It's still possible Obamacare will catch on. But if the predictions of several health care experts are right, it will likely cause still more dislocation later this year in the small-group market, which has more people in it than the individual market that was cast into chaos late last year. More people will have their coverage cancelled, forcing them into the still-troubled federal exchange. And when they buy coverage to replace what they had, the administration will claim more success for Obamacare. Meanwhile, the White House will continue to point to inflated Medicaid numbers as even more evidence of success.

Put aside the political debate: Something is essentially wrong with Obamacare.


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Extended News; Government; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: aca; healthcarefraud; obamacare; obamacaresignups

1 posted on 02/07/2014 4:32:49 AM PST by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

Additionally (subtractionally?), states are signing up their prisoners for Obamacare to get them off the state’s dime.


2 posted on 02/07/2014 4:38:41 AM PST by jiggyboy (Ten percent of poll respondents are either lying or insane)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

This reminds mean of the numbers touted by this same administration a few years back as “green jobs created”, which included existing garbage men reclassified to new green jobs because they work outdoors.


3 posted on 02/07/2014 4:40:16 AM PST by kevslisababy
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To: jiggyboy; kevslisababy

Figures don’t lie but liars can figure.


4 posted on 02/07/2014 4:42:01 AM PST by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

How to get the numbers up:

Force the insurance companies to cancel existing plans then claim credit for the victims who are forced to buy new, more expensive “Obamacare Compliant” plans.


5 posted on 02/07/2014 4:43:45 AM PST by Iron Munro ("Show me the man, and I'll show you the crime." - Lavrentiy Beria (& Eric Holder))
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

My BIL retired from his healthcare related job in October and signed up for Medicare

His wife at 62 lost her coverage under his policy at work. What to do?

Although panic is not quite accurate, extreme anxiety and then vexation are

Although educated people, they are not the best computer people in the world. It took days of trying before the Obamacare was completed. I have not heard if she actually went to the doctor and it all worked out.

I can believe there are millions like her that have not yet been able to complete the sign up procedure and have a problem.


6 posted on 02/07/2014 4:52:43 AM PST by bert ((K.E. N.P. N.C. +12 ..... History is a process, not an event)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

this is a sign of how bad the dem’s will be taken out in November,if only 6 million people believe in Obama-Care,how many Americans will vote democrat this fall?


7 posted on 02/07/2014 4:58:59 AM PST by Cruz_West_Paul2016
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

Choom churn.


8 posted on 02/07/2014 4:59:42 AM PST by dforest
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To: bert; All
Breitbart: "In a move designed to avoid further rate shock, the Obama administration is considering a possible extension of the one year grace period on previously cancelled health insurance plans.

The AP reports word of the possible extension came from Aetna's Chief Finanical Officer and also from the CEO of Avalere, a health insurance consulting firm. An HHS spokesperson confirmed the change was under discussion. The extension, if it happens at all, could be for as little as one year or for as long as three. ...."

9 posted on 02/07/2014 4:59:45 AM PST by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: Cruz_West_Paul2016; All
Jails put inmates on Obamacare, costing millions and boosting enrollment numbers ".....Obamacare's enrollment statistics will also increase artificially as inmates are enrolled as soon as they are booked and fingerprinted ....."
10 posted on 02/07/2014 5:01:12 AM PST by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
"Put the two together — Medicaid and private insurance — and it's clear the response of the nation's uninsured to Obamacare has been far less enthusiastic than the administration claims. Which means that the Affordable Care Act has gotten off to a terrible start at its core mission, insuring the uninsured."

I disagree. It's core mission was about power and control, not health care. It is intended to destroy the middle class and weaken the country to make it ready for a new Marxist America. Collapsing the present system is a Cloward Piven strategy and Obamacare seems to be working pretty well in moving toward these goals.

11 posted on 02/07/2014 5:06:34 AM PST by Truth29
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

The mechanisms used to inflate the numbers i.e. drag warm bodies in and sign them up regardless of eligibility are efficient....because they have been in practice for decades in enrolling fraudulent voters.


12 posted on 02/07/2014 5:08:44 AM PST by relictele (Principiis obsta & Finem respice - Resist The Beginnings & Consider The End)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

i am beginning to wonder what per-cent of the 6 million enrollees are registered dead people,cartoon characters,football players, and “Fake On Line Profiles”.


13 posted on 02/07/2014 5:09:33 AM PST by Cruz_West_Paul2016
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

while 6.3 million have signed up for Medicaid.......
I see a whole new govt. industry aborning where the Feds and the states will track the medicaid enrollees for life and recoop the money spent in medicaid benefits at their death.


14 posted on 02/07/2014 5:28:19 AM PST by HChampagne
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

So how many of these people are pulling their own freight, and how many are getting “subsidies?”


15 posted on 02/07/2014 5:42:48 AM PST by PLMerite
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

One can never believe this Clown Car administration of Clown Prince nobama.


16 posted on 02/07/2014 7:03:19 AM PST by hal ogen (First Amendment or Reeducation Camp?)
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