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Manchin: ‘We Haven’t Been Successful’ in Changing Afghanistan: ‘Time to Leave’
Cybercast News Service ^ | February 7, 2014 - 5:59 AM | Susan Jones

Posted on 02/07/2014 10:44:46 AM PST by Olog-hai

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To: cripplecreek

We’ll leave in a hundred years or when Johnny Mac and Peter King say so.


21 posted on 02/07/2014 11:09:08 AM PST by TurboZamboni (Marx smelled bad and lived with his parents .)
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To: Olog-hai
Afghanistan is not our enemy.

Afghanistan is the staging ground from which Qatar, Yemen, Saudi Arabia and Iran make war upon us.

22 posted on 02/07/2014 11:19:25 AM PST by Notary Sojac (Uzbeks drank my battery fluid!!)
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To: Notary Sojac

We removed the enemy in that country and then allowed them to come back by instituting cowardly rules of engagement. That’s the way it looks to me.


23 posted on 02/07/2014 11:23:02 AM PST by Olog-hai
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To: Olog-hai

Sadly this will probably resonate with his voters.

That ambulatory sea sponge Bob Casey got elected with pitches to Pennsyltucky voters that “all of the money that should be spent creating YOUR jobs and securing YOUR benefits has been WASTED in Afghanistan and Iraq by that EEEEEEVIL George W. Bush!”


24 posted on 02/07/2014 11:30:56 AM PST by Buckeye McFrog
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To: McGruff
I don’t want to see one more IED going off while we’re trying to win hearts and minds. Get out and if they act up again send in the bombers again.

There you go.

25 posted on 02/07/2014 11:44:14 AM PST by Zuben Elgenubi (NOPe to GOPe)
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To: Olog-hai
That’s the mindset of defeat.

That's a fact of life.

26 posted on 02/07/2014 11:45:46 AM PST by DoodleDawg
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To: Notary Sojac; Olog-hai
Iran and the Taliban are enemies. Iran and the northern alliance were allies. The US had to work thru Iran to set up our alliance with the northern alliance.

We invaded Afghanistan because the Taliban wouldn't turn over bin laden. Then, in 2010, thru foia, a document was released from NSC that ISI and the Taliban were still negotiating over bin Laden when Prez Cheney made the decision to invade.

So bin Laden and the Taliban hightailed it to Paki, se we decided to invade Iraq, it wouldn't take long to set Chalabi on the throne. But we got stuck in Iraq, and while we were there, the Taliban returned to Afghanistan and took over.

By then the Coindinistas had taken over the marines and army so Bush decided to run a counter-insurgency in Afghanistan, and dumbass Obama said he would too, if he was elected.

But, by late 2009, Obama figured out the counterinsurgency wasn't working, but the neocons accused him of dithering and held his feet to the fire, so Obama sent another 60 thou troops into the big muddy. But they are coming out now.

But we need to leave some troops there in case the Afghanistan civil war spreads to Paki and fundamentalist try to capture Paki's nuclear arsenal.

27 posted on 02/07/2014 11:59:01 AM PST by Ben Ficklin
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To: Olog-hai
Yes, liberal ROE have helped the Taliban. However, on the most fundamental level there are many reasons neither we nor those who tried before us have been successful in Afghanistan.

The terrain is so mountainous there could be thousands of troops in one valley and thousands of Taliban in the next, with a mountain in between and they would never meet.They are totally tribal and make and break alliances with each other as they perceive a need to do so. There is no basis for free market enterprise, no education to speak of, especially for women, no precedence for democratic govt.--in deed, no understanding of such.

We are totally wasting men and money there, and doubtless much of the funding has gone astray nto the pockets of Karzai and family/friends.

We didn't learn anything from the Russians, who tried for over 20 years to conquer the tribes.

Out NOW!

vaudine

28 posted on 02/07/2014 12:01:06 PM PST by vaudine
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To: vaudine

The faster we run away, the more that Iran gets encouraged.

If we are wasting men and money, it’s purely down to the rules of engagement, not because we can’t conquer the terrain (I think we could; it takes gathering of intelligence, which thanks to the liberals is another lost art).


29 posted on 02/07/2014 12:10:55 PM PST by Olog-hai
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To: Ben Ficklin
The Taliban is not an enemy of Iran. Certainly not when the Taliban even opened up an office on Iranian soil (in Zahedan).
30 posted on 02/07/2014 12:16:17 PM PST by Olog-hai
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To: DoodleDawg

No, it’s a defeatist mindset. Those with the will make the facts in life.


31 posted on 02/07/2014 12:17:20 PM PST by Olog-hai
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To: Olog-hai
No, it’s a defeatist mindset. Those with the will make the facts in life.

Yeah.

32 posted on 02/07/2014 12:18:32 PM PST by DoodleDawg
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To: Olog-hai
I submit to you that while we are there expending men and resources we ARE, in fact, running away and encouraging Iran. We are getting no place and will continue to get nothing done because of the leadership. THAT encourages Iran.

We are bleeding resources that may be needed elsewhere, while actually losing ground formerly gained.

vaudine

33 posted on 02/07/2014 12:21:30 PM PST by vaudine
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To: vaudine

That could be quickly reversed by going on the offensive. Instead, ROE dictate a purely defensive and pseudo-chivalrous stance.


34 posted on 02/07/2014 12:25:48 PM PST by Olog-hai
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To: Olog-hai
This should be an axiom of modern warfare taught at Carlisle:

If a culture/population does not want to evolve and mature from the 7th century into the 21th century, and persist in killing others, nuke them, it's the only way to be sure they don't reproduce. - M Kehoe

5.56mm

35 posted on 02/07/2014 12:29:58 PM PST by M Kehoe
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To: Olog-hai
Irans hostility towards the US exceeded that towards the Taliban,

Its a shia sunni thingy

36 posted on 02/07/2014 12:38:58 PM PST by Ben Ficklin
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To: Ben Ficklin

They get over that quickly when it comes to the Great Satan. Iran wants to build bridges across the Muslim World anyhow.


37 posted on 02/07/2014 12:39:45 PM PST by Olog-hai
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To: Olog-hai
You are right, but what are the chances with Obama clueless and the GOP lacking certain physiological necessities for strength and fortitude.

vaudine

38 posted on 02/07/2014 1:19:41 PM PST by vaudine
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To: cripplecreek

troops on the ground was one of the biggest mistakes of bush along with homeland security and tsa. like nixon and the epa. and the biggest mistake of reagan was supporting the muhajadeen instead of letting them and the soviets slaughter each other. the first 3 are not hindsight but obvious from the beginning. reagan’s is hindsight.


39 posted on 02/07/2014 4:08:33 PM PST by bravo whiskey (We should not fear our government. Our government should fear us.)
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To: cripplecreek

Kharzai is already negotiating with the taliban. What in the world are we there for? Better to bring the boys home and invade our true enemy Mexico and kill every SOB cartel member. Then occupy for 10 years. Why not? If you want to nation build what better country than Mexico? That way we can get all the cockroaches to go back home.


40 posted on 02/07/2014 4:40:13 PM PST by Georgia Girl 2 (The only purpose of a pistol is to fight your way back to the rifle you should never have dropped.)
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