The Disappearance of Hell

ligonier.org ^ | 2/1/14 | John MacArthur

[metmom]

I think it demonstrates my case. Jesus forgave a thief. The thief’s public demonstration of faith was enough to offset his debt, literal and spiritual. Now were this man a serial murderer or child rapist, would Jesus have said the same thing?

You're presuming that the thief was simply a thief.

Considering the men crucified with Jesus were crucified for insurrection, likely it was more than just stealing.

[presently no screen name]

It is idiotic to argue my salvation with some incompetent and unauthorized to decide it

Well, you decided about your own destiny - no one else. And then there is the Word of God to help one make the right choice and get to KNOW Jesus rather than about Him. And saying what is clearly written in HIS Word and calling it a myth shows one who did not make the right choice.

YOU own it and seem unhappy about it and would rather do a blame game than accept responsibility.

[metmom]

So if I steal $50 or $500,000, the prison sentence is the same?

James2:8-11 If you really fulfill the royal law according to the Scripture, “You shall love your neighbor as yourself,” you are doing well. But if you show partiality, you are committing sin and are convicted by the law as transgressors. For whoever keeps the whole law but fails in one point has become accountable for all of it. For he who said, “Do not commit adultery,” also said, “Do not murder.” If you do not commit adultery but do murder, you have become a transgressor of the law.

In a word, yes. Stealing is stealing and anyone who has such little integrity that he will steal $50 will steal $500,000 if given the opportunity.

If you disobey God and break a commandment, you have sinned against God and God said that the soul that sins, dies.

It's we humans who have made distinctions of sin.

[DManA]

I have accepted Jesus as my Lord and savior. You can doubt the veracity of that but it’s really none of your business.

[CatherineofAragon]

"It is idiotic to argue my salvation with some incompetent and unauthorized to decide it. So I’ll let you have the last word."

Gee, I forgot about this thread.

Your post was a bit garbled, but I think I understand what you're saying. My response? Put a sock in the dramatic outrage. You jumped in very quickly, stating that Hell is a myth, so don't be surprised that you got pushback....not to mention a lot of Scripture proving you wrong.

Also, my post #50 was in no way "judging your salvation." I do hope that you'll pray on the issue of hell, however. If the thread is bothering you, there might be a reason for it. (I say that sincerely).

Thanks for the last word; I appreciate it.

[Elsie]

I think we DO agree on the basics and the essentials.

The Book warns us about arguing so much over the non-essentials...

[Elsie]

That refers to godless and wicked people, what about good people?

What about 'em?

I'll not speculate.

[Elsie]

While we are bandying about whether ‘hell’ means Ghenna,grave,sheol, hades or what ever; there WILL be those in these threads that very definitely say that PARADISE is HEAVEN.

Luke 23:43

[RichInOC]

Dear Pastor MacArthur:

I have good news and bad news. First the good news: There is a Christian church that really, really believes in Hell and encourages its members to teach and pray every day for people not to go there.

Now the bad news: You don’t like us. You really don’t like us.

[redleghunter]

Put another way...do you see Yeshua as Deity?

[Rennes Templar]

“If you disobey God and break a commandment, you have sinned against God and God said that the soul that sins, dies.”

So the discussion here is the existence of the eternal fires of hell and eternal burning in them by sinners. Now if the soul that sins dies, how can he have his eternal pain in hell?

[Rennes Templar]

“Who said our laws are identical to God’s?”

I believe it was Jesus who said, “Thy Kingdom come, Thy will be done on earth, as it is in Heaven”

[Rennes Templar]

“You seem oppose to THE WORD as His Word clearly describes hell and who HE made it”

Mark 9:43
If your hand causes you to sin, cut it off. It is better for you to enter life maimed than with two hands to go into hell, where the fire never goes out.

2 Peter 2:4
For if God did not spare angels when they sinned, but sent them to hell, putting them into gloomy dungeons to be held for judgment;

Which is it? Fire or dungeons?

[Rennes Templar]

“Now were this man a... child rapist, would Jesus have said the same thing?

Of course he would have...”

Matthew 18:6
“If anyone causes one of these little ones—those who believe in me—to stumble, it would be better for them to have a large millstone hung around their neck and to be drowned in the depths of the sea.”

Sounds a little different than “see you in Paradise”.

[Rennes Templar]

“A belief in hell is not required to be a Christian,”

Thank you!

[Rennes Templar]

Some Christians say good people who never get the gospel of Christ will burn in hell forever. I find that disturbing.

[Rennes Templar]

“You’re presuming that the thief was simply a thief.”

Careful. When one starts speculating on an interpretation of a word in the bible, one opens a whole can of worms.

[Lazamataz]

Hell is watching your country, a country you loved -- the best country the world has ever seen -- raped and plundered and turned into a communist dictatorship with fascist overtones.

We have sinned in life, and now we live in hell.

[Elsie]

“Some” Christians say a lot of things.

I don’t feel that I need to address all of them either to defend or rebuke.

[Elsie]

We have sinned in life, and now we live in hell.

There IS a solution...

 

 

2 Chronicles 7:14

If my people, who are called by my name,
shall humble themselves,
and pray, and seek my face,
and turn from their wicked ways; ,

then will I hear from heaven,
and will forgive their sin,
and will heal their land.