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Posted on 03/03/2014 8:06:14 AM PST by Fennie
Russia's Black Sea Fleet has told Ukrainian forces in Crimea to surrender by 5.am (0300 GMT) on Tuesday or face a military assault, Interfax news agency quoted a source in the Ukrainian Defence Ministry as saying.
The ultimatum, Interfax said, was issued by Alexander Vitko, the fleet's commander.
(Excerpt) Read more at uk.reuters.com ...
It was Viktor Yanukovych who negotiated that deal with the EU in the interest of his nation. It was Putin who said no. It was the Ukrainians, sick and tired of a bully in Moscow telling them what to do, who said that if Viktor Yanukovych was Putin’s puppet he must go. So you can blame the EU, but that’s not how it went down. And all of Ukraine’s neighbors have benefited materially and financially from the EU.
The people in Eastern Ukraine do want closer ties to Russia, which is why they voted for Viktor Yanukovych to begin with. Those in the western portion of the country didn’t like that they lost the election and that Yanukovych was signing trade deals with Russia, so they threw a fit and started burning down the capital.
Yanukovych has democratically elected, primarily by his power base in eastern Ukraine which does want closer ties to Russia.
The people in the eastern part of Ukraine (the Crimea) don’t want to be governed by the people of western Ukraine.
Hey, hey, hey, and Yanukovych negotiated the deal with the EU and was for it until Putin said, “I forbid it.” Then he became Putin’s catamite, not unlike a certain FReeper spouting pro-Putin rubish. So the Ukrainians overthrew the traitor Yanukovych.
o, it was the WESTERN Ukrainians who wanted Viktor Yanukovych out.
You are making the wrong assumption they all Ukrainians wanted him out, when this is just a political party that is geographically based in the western part of the country throwing a temper tantrum.
Think of it this way:
Imagine if Romney had won the election in 2012 and then proceeded to do something the leftists hated, like repeal Obamacare by executive action. Then the left started rioting and burning down Washington, forcing Romney to flee to Utah to somewhere in the south where his political power base is. Then the Democratic control Senate votes by a simple majority to remove him from office and make Nancy Pelosi the new president.
The South and Midwest say.. TO HECK WITH THAT! and ask for help to succeed from another world power like ... England or some other country. Would you then accuse England of supporting the puppet Romney? Would you accuse those who supported England of siding with the enemy who in the past burnt down Washington DC and fought tooth and nail to deny of our country to begin with?
I realize that poor countries through out Europe and the former Soviet Union are doing everything they can to get into the EU. Do you? It’s no different than you telling me American exploits the poor people who do all they can to get to the USA. Of their own volition Ukraine wanted to be in the UN. How is it up to one man, Putin, to say they cannot do that? Is he the judge of what the Ukrainian people can do? Yanukovych negotiated that deal. He did it in the interest of his nation. Then his master Putin said no. You do realize that, don’t you?
Sophistry in support of tyranny is a vice. You should stop the terribly dumb analogies. Russia under the Czar, under the commies, and under Putin has brutalized the independent nation and people of Ukraine, a different language and culture, long enough. Ukraine is not a Russian province.
Ukranians wanted to be in the EU. Not the UN.
related, Chevron bets Eastern Europe will prefer fracking to Russian
They elected Viktor Yanukovych
The people of western Ukraine have a right to elect who they wish to represent them also. They voted and LOST.
Viktor Yanukovych wanted closer ties to Russia, if the people of western Ukraine didn't like that, they were free in the next election to attempt to elect someone who wanted closer ties to EU.
But they didn't want to wait, and threw a temper tantrum and starting burning down the capital. Then bi-passed the constitution and propped up an unelected puppet.
--God forbid Ukraine signs the EU bill-- As a native Ukrainian I can say what is really going on. EU is salivating, just waiting to rob already poor Ukraine of its natural resources
--Ukraine is a fine country. It is hoped that it stays out of the clutches of Russia and EU while building strong trade relations with both
My dream is for Poland to split from EU and join with Ukraine and the Baltics in a new Commonwealth, free of the EU and Russia, free to make deals to their benefit and keep their cultures intact.
“...You can vote “none of the above”....”
Yeah. I kinda felt that’s what I did when I voted for that loser RINO Romney.
Russia’s financial system punished Vladimir Putin far more swiftly than western diplomacy on Monday, as the Moscow stock market suffered one of its biggest one-day falls in recent years and the rouble tumbled sharply in a first nervous reaction to the Kremlin’s gambit in Crimea.
Some £34bn was wiped off the value of companies on the Moscow stock exchange on Monday and the central bank burned through an estimated £10bn of its reserves propping up its currency as investors took fright at the most serious standoff between Russia and Ukraine since the fall of the Soviet Union.
The bank was also forced to raise its main interest rate from 5.5% to 7% – the largest hike since financial crisis ruined Russia in 1998.
Neil Shearing, chief emerging markets economist at Capital Economics, said: “It goes without saying that the extent to which [central bank moves are] successful will depend largely on political rather than economic developments.”
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/mar/03/ukraine-crisis-russian-stock-market-falls
Shades of the Sudetenland!
CIA reportedly says Russia sees “TREATY” as justifying Ukraine moves:
CIA Director John Brennan told key lawmakers Monday that Russia believes its military incursion in Ukraine is permitted under a 1997 treaty between the two neighbors that ‘allows as many as 25,000 Russian troops in the vital Crimean region’.
The number of Russian troops that have surged onto the Ukrainian peninsula in recent days remains well below that threshold, Brennan said, according to U.S. officials
I agree....good post.
Still, I don’t forsee Ukraine united....ever....Putin’s not going to let Ukraine go.
.... and if the U.S. were in his place, with major ports and oil lines as Putin has invested there...we’d be doing the very same thing.
I get a kick out of the Politicians trying to get face time with the Ukraine issue, both here and on the World Stage. Putin’s not doing anything we haven’t done before to protect our interests or those of an ally....
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