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Ukrainian Government Refuses To Remove Troops From Crimea, Prepares For War
Kyiv Post ^ | March 17, 2014

Posted on 03/17/2014 11:17:11 AM PDT by Strategy

In the wake of a March 16 referendum in which Crimeans voted to join the Russian Federation, Ukrainian leaders refused to cede any part of the peninsula, calling on their troops to prepare for war.

"Crimea was, is, and will be our territory," said Defense Minister Ihor Tenyukh in a statement delivered at the Ukrainian Crisis Media Center on March 17.

Former heavyweight boxing champion and leader of the Ukrainian Democratic Alliance for Reform Vitali Klitschko announced that Ukrainian troops would remain at their bases, even after March 21, the end of a peace treaty signed by the interior ministries of Ukraine and Russia.

(Excerpt) Read more at kyivpost.com ...


TOPICS: Breaking News; Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events; Russia
KEYWORDS: coldwar2; communism; crimea; klitschko; obama; putin; putinsbuttboys; russia; sovietunion; surrendermonkeys; ukraine; viktoryanukovich; war; worldwariii; yuliatymoshenko
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To: soycd

I don’t like the term ‘kids’ though acknowledging the common usage. These are young men and at this time even young women. As one of the young men in WWII I have not since then believed in making other peoples messes our mess too. This is not the intent of international money and power changers.


51 posted on 03/17/2014 12:29:49 PM PDT by noinfringers2 ( /*)
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To: Red White and Blue patriot

>Everything the Reds do is our business. The must be stopped now before they rebuild their empire and enslave even more freedom loving people.

I remember those days. Duck and cover. Now it’s just CYA.


52 posted on 03/17/2014 12:29:57 PM PDT by soycd
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To: Strategy

Your globalist financial oligarchy dollars at work.


53 posted on 03/17/2014 12:30:16 PM PDT by Yollopoliuhqui
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To: The_Victor
A few stingers and anti-tank missiles could serve as a warning to Russia but Obama already refused those.
54 posted on 03/17/2014 12:31:26 PM PDT by 11th Commandment ("THOSE WHO TIRE LOSE")
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To: CivilWarBrewing

I wonder if this will encourage Putin to allow Snowden to release the other 1,500,000 files he’s got? I wonder what’s in them? Prolly nothing more than chump change, no way it could be a game changer.


55 posted on 03/17/2014 12:34:42 PM PDT by Yollopoliuhqui
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To: PaulCruz2016
Why won't we stand up to Russia?

How is this our problem? It's NOT! We have no legitimate interest in Ukraine and someone should tell President mommy pants and his jackass SecState to sit down and shut up.

56 posted on 03/17/2014 12:35:49 PM PDT by pgkdan
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To: McGruff

57 posted on 03/17/2014 12:36:45 PM PDT by 11th Commandment ("THOSE WHO TIRE LOSE")
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To: 11th Commandment

Well it’s less complex than the “Obamacare” flow chart, LOL.


58 posted on 03/17/2014 12:38:00 PM PDT by nascarnation (Toxic Baraq Syndrome: hopefully infecting a Dem candidate near you)
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To: piytar

Ukraine has NO hope of holding on to an area where 90%+ of the population wants to leave.


59 posted on 03/17/2014 12:44:36 PM PDT by TexasFreeper2009 (Obama lied .. the economy died.)
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To: soycd

We helped disarm Ukraine in return for guaranteeing their sovereign boundaries. the Ukrainians aren’t asking for our military to bail them out. They have the guts to defend themselves. They don’t want us on their soil. They need small arms to equip their reserves. All we have to do is divert the weapons from Libya we’ve been supplying to the Syrian invaders to Ukraine.

We need to help put a rifle behind every blade of grass in Ukraine.


60 posted on 03/17/2014 12:45:38 PM PDT by meatloaf (Impeach Obama. That's my New Year's resolution.)
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To: piytar

lol

Obama is a pansy, he wont do anything

Obama talks loudly and carries no stick.


61 posted on 03/17/2014 12:46:07 PM PDT by TexasFreeper2009 (Obama lied .. the economy died.)
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To: Red White and Blue patriot

news flash, WE are the only ones enslaved.

heck I read the other day, some guy out in the country couldn’t even build a stock pond without the EPA threatening him with $20,000 a day fines.

Our government is out of control, and is actively pushing abortion and sodomy abroad. Face it, WE are now the evil empire and us conservatives are stuck behind enemy lines.


62 posted on 03/17/2014 12:48:40 PM PDT by TexasFreeper2009 (Obama lied .. the economy died.)
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To: meatloaf

well since 90%+ of the population of Crimea wants nothing to do with the rioters that took over Kiev... I imagine the only ones holding guns behind every blade of grass will be those in Crimea fighting for their freedom from the terrorists in Kiev.


63 posted on 03/17/2014 12:50:56 PM PDT by TexasFreeper2009 (Obama lied .. the economy died.)
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To: piytar

Nope, not once he is awakened from his long winter slumber.


64 posted on 03/17/2014 12:58:52 PM PDT by EBH (And the head wound was healed...)
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To: Husker24

Ukraine owes Russia a pile of money. Putin may very well say “pay up or give up”.


65 posted on 03/17/2014 1:05:43 PM PDT by ctdonath2 (Making good people helpless doesn't make bad people harmless.)
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To: ctdonath2
Ukraine owes Russia a pile of money. Putin may very well say “pay up or give up”.

How long until China does the same to the US?

66 posted on 03/17/2014 1:07:36 PM PDT by dfwgator
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To: Strategy

Ukraine might want to consider the fate of Fort Sumter: a military presence in a seceded region.

Pulling out may suck mightily, but continued presence is just asking for trouble. Think carefully about whether trouble is desired...


67 posted on 03/17/2014 1:09:37 PM PDT by ctdonath2 (Making good people helpless doesn't make bad people harmless.)
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To: TexasFreeper2009

That 90%+ number by itself tells you the vote was bogus. The ballot had two choices, none of which was remaining in Ukraine. If you doubt the bogus vote look up the history of the Tatars and their percentage, 15%, of the population. Don’t forget to look up the percentage of ethnic Ukrainians who live in the Crimea. In a truly honest election my guess is it would have been 50/50. Of course in communist countries the elections usually are a sure thing. North Korea is an example. Dear Leader got 100% of the vote. I imagine every voter showed up for that election too.

Russia has been conducting an extensive propaganda effort leading up to the elctions strarting when the demonstrations got out of hand in their view. Part of that is aimed at convincing us we’re looking at another Iraq or Afghanistan. Ukraine’s could turn out to be another Afghanistan for the Russians.

I say we send the Ukrainians all the weapons left over from Ghadaffi and wish them luck. If our SEALS can interdict an oil tanker at the request of the Libyan government, I think we need a quid pro quo. Turn Ukraine into another Russian Afghanistan, Proxy wars work. We’ve BTDT. We don’t need to put boots on the ground to bleed the Russians.


68 posted on 03/17/2014 1:11:47 PM PDT by meatloaf (Impeach Obama. That's my New Year's resolution.)
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To: TexasFreeper2009

Problem is: that 90% know choosing sovereign independence will be soon followed by voluntary annexation into a larger state.

I do assume any Texas Freeper understands this.


69 posted on 03/17/2014 1:12:22 PM PDT by ctdonath2 (Making good people helpless doesn't make bad people harmless.)
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To: meatloaf

NATO will fight Russia to the last Pole.


70 posted on 03/17/2014 1:14:16 PM PDT by dfwgator
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To: dfwgator

China is not in a position to enforce the second part.
Russia can, in contrast, take total control of Ukraine in a matter of days (and practical control in hours).


71 posted on 03/17/2014 1:14:20 PM PDT by ctdonath2 (Making good people helpless doesn't make bad people harmless.)
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To: ctdonath2
China is not in a position to enforce the second part.

Yet.

72 posted on 03/17/2014 1:14:43 PM PDT by dfwgator
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To: Strategy

Your call but you do it alone.


73 posted on 03/17/2014 1:16:17 PM PDT by ex-snook (God is Love)
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To: dfwgator

Takes boots on the ground.
China can’t even get boots on the ground 40 miles away.
There’s a difference between vacating/vaporizing ground vs. occupying it.


74 posted on 03/17/2014 1:17:25 PM PDT by ctdonath2 (Making good people helpless doesn't make bad people harmless.)
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To: ctdonath2

Will that be true in 20 years?


75 posted on 03/17/2014 1:18:28 PM PDT by dfwgator
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To: Red White and Blue patriot
Did you know he rides bears?

And great white sharks.


76 posted on 03/17/2014 1:29:44 PM PDT by caveat emptor (!)
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To: Strategy

Don’t know how many will follow the orders.

Many Ukrainian troops are confused on who is running the show .


77 posted on 03/17/2014 1:35:38 PM PDT by redgolum ("God is dead" -- Nietzsche. "Nietzsche is dead" -- God.)
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To: AmericanExceptionalist
You do know that most of our supplies going to Afghanistan go through Russia now right?

Since we invaded Pakistan and killed Osama, that route isn't open any more.

Lets not start another land war in Asia till we find out a way to supply our guys currently there.

78 posted on 03/17/2014 1:38:39 PM PDT by redgolum ("God is dead" -- Nietzsche. "Nietzsche is dead" -- God.)
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To: meatloaf

funny, I see nothing but happy people in the streetsof Crimea celebrating the vote.

and I see nothing but thugs in Kiev who’ve occupied and burned down the city after deposing the Democratically elected government.

are you sure you are not the one being manipulated by propaganda?


79 posted on 03/17/2014 1:39:00 PM PDT by TexasFreeper2009 (Obama lied .. the economy died.)
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To: caveat emptor

DREAMY


80 posted on 03/17/2014 1:41:12 PM PDT by Red White and Blue patriot (USA all the way. Love it or Leave it. Better dead than Red. Putin = Hitler 2014)
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To: meatloaf

They have tons of weapons -most of which are in storage. They’ve been purging Russians from their military and I suspect, calling up reserves and activating units.


81 posted on 03/17/2014 1:47:40 PM PDT by Justa
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To: dfwgator

I don’t think China has any interest in dominating the world. All of Eurasia, yes, but nothing overseas.

Japan bombed Pearl Harbor to preemptively keep USA out of the Eastern conflicts. Methinks China learned, and will begin conquest when they’re ready and can avoid US intervention. ...which I’m figuring might be some time next month.

In 20 years? point will be moot.


82 posted on 03/17/2014 1:52:52 PM PDT by ctdonath2 (Making good people helpless doesn't make bad people harmless.)
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To: TexasFreeper2009

Get out of my country, you boot-licking commie. You think your pal Vlad is going to come liberate you from the evil liberals? Newsflash for you: he makes them look like choir boys. You don’t have the guts or the brains to vote or shoot your way to freedom so your want some Russian thug who wouldn’t know what freedom and decency was if it kicked him in his hammer and sickle to come and fight your battles for you. In the end you would just trade an out of control liberal government for a full fledged Commie one. Morons like you would deserve it, but the American people deserve more. You are a serf with no real understanding of patriotism or freedom that is if you aren’t one of Putin’s paid agents.


83 posted on 03/17/2014 2:03:29 PM PDT by Red White and Blue patriot (USA all the way. Love it or Leave it. Better dead than Red. Putin = Hitler 2014)
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To: 11th Commandment

No they could not.
You slept through the cold war.
Other people were awake and paid attention.

There are resources that were open to politics and third party proxy wars, and then there were other core resources that could only be taken in a head to head war.

Nothing barred. Every military resource on the table, nand no collateral damage unacceptable.

The Crimea is one of the latter category.

As long as it remained independent, Russia had access but could use it as a buffer at the same time. Useful to them, useful for the EU, and really, really useful to the Ukraine.

Once Eurocrat intrigue began the oft repeated process of trying to bering the Ukraine into the European union, that détente state ended.

There is no limited anything here. A fight with Russia on this matter is everything goes. If the EU wants that, let them have it. I don’t mind helping them against Russian encroachment...but things they instigate are on them and this one shows that even Obama can be surpassed in the stupidity
department.

I will say this would become a beyond shitty time to be living in Alaska if we jump in here. Nothing will be off the table.


84 posted on 03/17/2014 2:04:13 PM PDT by MrEdd (vHeck? Geewhiz Cripes, thats the place where people who don't believe in Gosh think they aint going.)
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To: TexasFreeper2009

Your hero North Korea is one of two world countries that recognized the results of the happy referendum. Congratulations, you’re in good company!


86 posted on 03/17/2014 2:07:38 PM PDT by Revolting cat! (Bad things are wrong! Ice cream is delicious! We reserve the right to serve refuse to anyone!)
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To: meatloaf
Turn Ukraine into another Russian Afghanistan, Proxy wars work. We’ve BTDT.

Refresh my memory. Who won in Afghanistan?

87 posted on 03/17/2014 2:17:38 PM PDT by palmer (There's someone in my lead but it's not me)
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To: palmer

Al Qaeda.


88 posted on 03/17/2014 2:18:18 PM PDT by dfwgator
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To: palmer

The first time when we supplied the stingers, the Russians left with their tails between their legs. The beauty of Ukraine is we would be supplying arms to Christians. No Islamic after taste!


89 posted on 03/17/2014 2:20:58 PM PDT by meatloaf (Impeach Obama. That's my New Year's resolution.)
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To: TexasFreeper2009

My info comes from expats living in Ukraine including one living in the Crimea. So far only man on the street reporting by Americans and Europeans. Get your info here:

www.expatua.com


90 posted on 03/17/2014 2:23:56 PM PDT by meatloaf (Impeach Obama. That's my New Year's resolution.)
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To: Justa

I haven’t seen reports of stored weapons. Ukrainians are getting cards to report.


91 posted on 03/17/2014 2:25:38 PM PDT by meatloaf (Impeach Obama. That's my New Year's resolution.)
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To: Red White and Blue patriot; TexasFreeper2009
Get out of my country, you boot-licking commie. You think your pal Vlad is going to come liberate you from the evil liberals? Newsflash for you: he makes them look like choir boys....

I assume your over-the-top post is at least part satire? I guess the fact that Russia became capitalist (crony like ours), and is not communist anymore didn't cross your radar a few years back? Obviously Putin is not going to liberate anyone. But you can bet that Obama and his Republican allies like McCain will use the perpetual war against the new evil empire to distract or entertain Americans as we spiral down the drain. The military industrial complex is getting a little threadbare, might need a big cash infusion.

92 posted on 03/17/2014 2:26:53 PM PDT by palmer (There's someone in my lead but it's not me)
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To: meatloaf
The first time when we supplied the stingers, the Russians left with their tails between their legs.

Sounds a little oversimplistic. I believe we lost in Afghanistan a little more recently than the Russians and it was much the same stinger flingers who did it to us too. Blowback can be a bitch.

93 posted on 03/17/2014 2:29:40 PM PDT by palmer (There's someone in my lead but it's not me)
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To: Strategy

Well, I guess that Obama can send his cupcake (Kerry) to negotiate another treaty with that steak knife (Lavarov) from the USSR...


94 posted on 03/17/2014 2:35:34 PM PDT by Thunder90 (All posts soley represent my own opinion.)
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To: palmer

The Russians’ excellent adventure in Afghanistan, 1979 to 1988, was pre-9/11. I don’t recall advocating our boots on the ground in Ukraine. That’s why I am advocating supplying small arms, possibly from Libya, to the Ukrainians. AFAIK, Ukraine has never invaded anyone. Nor have they harbored Islamic extremists. Looks like a win win to me. What’s not to like about Ukrainians destroying Putin’s reputation? He might get away with things in Chechnya. Ukraine and its Roman Catholics and Orthodox are quite a different story.


95 posted on 03/17/2014 2:48:39 PM PDT by meatloaf (Impeach Obama. That's my New Year's resolution.)
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To: Strategy
Ukraine Gov. is not in any way making the calls here....it is all outside entities determining whatever posturing they take.....including the military.


96 posted on 03/17/2014 2:48:53 PM PDT by caww
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To: meatloaf
He might get away with things in Chechnya.

He might actually succeed at keeping the muslim slime from setting up terrorist camps there. Or are you proposing arming Chechen terrorists too?

97 posted on 03/17/2014 2:59:06 PM PDT by palmer (There's someone in my lead but it's not me)
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To: goldstategop
Note who really had the grip on that re-set button...


98 posted on 03/17/2014 2:59:53 PM PDT by caww
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To: palmer

All I’m saying is arming the Ukrainians won’t lead to the after effects of arming radical Islamics. It’s all good!


99 posted on 03/17/2014 3:05:25 PM PDT by meatloaf (Impeach Obama. That's my New Year's resolution.)
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To: dforest

...”is a battle if the EU wants to sacrifice their kids”...

TEuropean’s will be in the streets protesting if they attempt to send their kids back into a battle..... Both EU and USA citizens are battle weary from all the other country’s these ‘manipulators’ send our troops out to, and then tell them to “hold their fire” against those who will kill them in a heart beat!


100 posted on 03/17/2014 3:13:19 PM PDT by caww
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