Posted on 03/18/2014 5:25:45 AM PDT by thackney
I've gone from depressed to testy!!
Local hardwood. I could cut it myself, off my own land, but I don’t need THAT much exercise.
EPA’s Wood-Burning Stove Ban Has Chilling Consequences For Many Rural People
As TSHTF and it requires hard work to remain warm in winter, you’ll see the entitlement army heading south.
Rocket Stove Mass Heaters heat all day from one firing
http://erica-k-wisner.hubpages.com/hub/Rocket-Mass-Heaters-Efficient-Home-Heating-With-Wood
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3mZQdu2wNi4
Many more videos styles etc online on this. Very little wood, stealthy burning, very efficient, etc.
Only source, yes. I don’t even have another source, and I’m not alone in my area.
I was hoping warm weather would be coming this way, but next week it is supposed to get cold again. My driveway is all iced up from last weeks snow storm, then rain and frozen over.
An average good quality stove(Harman,Napoleon,Lopi) will run you around $2000 to $2500. Flue pipe to meet code will run a min of $1000k. It should be installed by an NFI (National Fireplace Institute) certified installer, around 90 an hour. Oh yea don’t forget to contact your insurance company, many have their own regs regarding wood burning appliances. It is not a cheap alternative. It will take about 5 years to get to a break even point. The new EPA regs will add at least 500 per stove. At least the $400 Chinese house burners at Lowes won’t be around.
I am looking at installing a stove made by Woodstock stove company out of Lebanon, NH. It is called the Progressive Hybrid. It is a catalytic stove, that has a cast iron shell surrounded with soap stone. It is one of the largest stoves you can buy. I want it to heat my 2700 sq ft house. It is also has one of the highest efficiency EPA ratings available. This stove comes with top cooking grates. It is about $2800 plus shipping. They do not sell through dealers. They sell you directly through their website or over the phone.
The benefits of a higher efficiency stove is it burns LESS wood to produce the same BTUs. Also, less creosote buildup in your chimney means you do not have to clean the chimney as often and you are less likely to have a chimney fire. The disadvantage to a CAT stove is the CAT needs to be replaced once every 10 years about. It also needs to be cleaned. This stove has the CAT under the top plate as opposed to most that are in the back of the stove. Therefore, it gives you easier access to cleaning.
If you do not like their product I would spend some time on www.hearth.com reading the forums are reading the reviews of various stoves.
I supplemented the heat in my former home with a Jotul 3 cast iron woodstove for 16 years. It is also a good product if you only need to heat about 1200-1500 sq ft. Jotul has been making cast iron stoves in Norway for about 100 years.
Lopi(out of Wa) also makes some very well rated wood stoves according to what I have read. Hearthstone(VT) also makes some high end stoves. However, they tend to be more expensive than other brands.
There are also some steel stoves made by Pacific Energy that are pretty highly rated. Steel bodied stoves can be manufactured cheaper than cast iron. They also heat up faster, but cool down faster than cast iron. The combination of cast iron and soap stone surrounds are the most expensive. However, they heat up slower but continue to radiant heat for hours after the fire is out. The other factor to consider with cast iron soap stone is the weight.
The Progressive Hybrid Woodstock stove weighs 700 lbs.
$1000K=$1000 x 1000 = $1,000,000. Maybe you've made a mistake?
oops I meant $1000.00. Thanks for bringing it to my attention
It is ironic that myself and other people are now considering installing coal burning stoves and furnaces because the price of anthracite coal is now cheaper than pellets or even cordwood. The other advantage to coal is it comes washed and wet in the bad and can be stored outside. It does not matter if it gets wet. It is a mineral, not wood cellulose.
That is the thing most people fail to consider when buying a pellet stove. Where do you store 6 pallets of bagged pellets?
I am curious. Whose pellet insert do you have? What problems has it had? I have been afraid to buy a pellet stove because of all the problems I read about them on various forums. Igniters, augers, noisy, circuit boards, etc. It seems that Harman seem to have the best reputation from what I have read and personal experience from people I know that actually own them. What say you?
The next day, my boys used a pick axe to get rid of the 3 inches of ice. ;-)
Heat ping
I burn wood exclusively. No furnace, other than my wood furnace. What is so difficult to understand. I cut and split wood in the spring season it over the summer and fall and burn all winter. Generally put up 10 cords and that feeds my furnace, my Dad’s stove and as an emergency supply for my son if he needs it. Fill with propane one per year for hot water heater, dryer and cooking.
The EPA has an effect on the cheap steel Chinese manufactured stoves sold in big box stores. The better quality cast iron stoves already meet the EPA specs. Also, the better quality Steel stoves made by Lopi, Pacific Energy and others meet the EPA specs.
This is similar to what the NH did on the sale of outdoor wood furnaces a few years back. The original outdoor wood furnaces were VERY inefficient(50% or less). They would put out a ton of smoke/ash. IF you were down wind from your neighbors you would hate it. I have a buddy who has one. He states that the only way you would install one is if you have 30-50 acres is free standing timber to feed the thing. He has 60 acres and his own portable sawmill. He puts the slabs with the bark on it in the furnace after they dry for about a year. He cuts them into 3’ pieces. He loads his twice a day. However, his was about $12K installed.
Just like toilets and light bulbs etc etc etc.....
All of the A-holes who are trying to ban wood smoke are full of cr*p. What needs to be done is giving instructions on how to burn a clean fire. Some stoves may need replacing. There are allot of used wood stoves that are very efficient. The clean air jokers use inversion to gauge bad air. The air is no different now than fifty years ago when we had inversion.
Thanks for the info.
I’d like to find a good, quality wood cook stove. Nothing too big, just something that could be used for heating a back family room, or cooking....if need be.
What people need to consider before they spend $2500-4500 on a wood/pellet stove is do I have enough insulation in my house? It is a lot easier and a quicker payoff to add insulation. Plus there was, maybe still is, a federal tax credit to add insulation.
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