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Chinese going for broke on thorium nuclear power, and good luck to them
The Telegraph ^ | 3-19-14 | Ambrose Evans-Pritchard

Posted on 03/19/2014 4:28:24 PM PDT by dynachrome

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To: Smokin' Joe

“E=mc^2 does not apply.”

WOW!


61 posted on 03/20/2014 8:16:07 AM PDT by TexasGator
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To: RoadGumby
" Your stand seems to be that, regardless of the process, mass is destroyed/converted."

At least according to Einstein. He formulated the equation E=MC2!

62 posted on 03/20/2014 8:17:52 AM PDT by TexasGator
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To: RoadGumby

“Hey look! He played the engineer card!”

Nuclear Engineer Card. I can throw in an SRO also.


63 posted on 03/20/2014 8:19:24 AM PDT by TexasGator
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To: DuncanWaring
"Even if there were some nuclear component of the chemical reaction known as “burning”, the vast majority of energy released is from the rearrangement of molecular bonds in hydrocarbons to form CO, CO2 and HOH."

It is so basic. It is E=MC2

Is is NOT E=MC2 except for chemical reactions!

64 posted on 03/20/2014 8:24:17 AM PDT by TexasGator
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To: TexasGator
That formula is for calculating the ratio of energy to mass when you convert one to the other.

Chemical reactions do not convert mass to energy, they use energy to form chemical bonds between atoms and molecules, and release energy by breaking/re-arranging those bonds. There isn't any loss or gain of mass - all of the original atoms are still there.

When you have a nuclear fission or fusion, then you create different atoms than what you started with.

65 posted on 03/20/2014 8:27:07 AM PDT by tacticalogic
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To: TexasGator

E=MC^2 defines the scale-factor to be used when converting matter to energy and vice-versa.

It does not describe the energy released when making and breaking chemical bonds between atoms composing molecules.

If you were really a retired physicist you’d know that.


66 posted on 03/20/2014 8:30:17 AM PDT by DuncanWaring (The Lord uses the good ones; the bad ones use the Lord.)
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To: DuncanWaring

You are still living in the 18th century.

“The great achievement of 20th century quantum physics has been to describe chemical reactions in terms of E = mc2.”

http://www.energytribune.com/2771/understanding-e-mc2#sthash.Pp9wZbDM.dpbs


67 posted on 03/20/2014 8:35:35 AM PDT by TexasGator
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To: tacticalogic

“Chemical reactions do not convert mass to energy”

Then you are saying that Einstein’s E=MC^2 is invalid. WOW!


68 posted on 03/20/2014 8:38:03 AM PDT by TexasGator
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To: DuncanWaring

“E=MC^2 defines the scale-factor to be used when converting matter to energy and vice-versa.”

Yes. And when you burn something there is a mass change (E=MC^2) to account for the energy.


69 posted on 03/20/2014 8:39:05 AM PDT by TexasGator
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To: TexasGator
Yes. And when you burn something there is a mass change (E=MC^2) to account for the energy.

There is no change of mass. All of the atoms of whatever it was you burned are still there. They're just bound to Oxygen atoms now.

70 posted on 03/20/2014 8:46:22 AM PDT by tacticalogic
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To: tacticalogic
"There is no change of mass. All of the atoms of whatever it was you burned are still there. They're just bound to Oxygen atoms now."

You don't get it do you. It is SO SIMPLE. E=MC2

Did Einstein say E=MC2 except for chemical reactions? NO. He said it applied to all energies.

It is a universal law.

“The great achievement of 20th century quantum physics has been to describe chemical reactions in terms of E = mc2.”

http://www.energytribune.com/2771/understanding-e-mc2#sthash.Pp9wZbDM.dpbs

71 posted on 03/20/2014 8:49:38 AM PDT by TexasGator
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To: TexasGator

You must have been in on the early designs. The wood burning reactors. Its a shame we went away from those. They were a bit less likely to have problems.

What’s the Neutron Lifecycle for a wood burning reactor? Is it a positive or negative temperature coefficient?


72 posted on 03/20/2014 9:01:02 AM PDT by RoadGumby (This is not where I belong, Take this world and give me Jesus.)
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To: RoadGumby

Do me a favor. Cut out the baby-talk and read this.

http://www.abc.net.au/science/articles/2010/09/15/3011641.htm


73 posted on 03/20/2014 9:16:23 AM PDT by TexasGator
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To: TexasGator
You don't get it do you.

One of us doesn't.

It is SO SIMPLE. E=MC2

"For every complex problem there is an answer that is clear, simple, and wrong."

- H. L. Mencken

74 posted on 03/20/2014 9:22:26 AM PDT by tacticalogic
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To: TexasGator; tacticalogic; RoadGumby

OK, Mr. Wizard.

Let’s say I burn 1 kg of wood.

E=MC^2

M=1 kg, C=3x10^8 meters/second

E=9x10^16 joules.

That’s basically 9 kilowatts for a little over 300,000 years.

Let’s assume 1% efficiency.

Now let’s see you build a wood-fired generator that produces 9kw and runs for 3000 years and only consumes 1 kg of wood.

After all, E=Mc^2, right?


75 posted on 03/20/2014 9:24:24 AM PDT by DuncanWaring (The Lord uses the good ones; the bad ones use the Lord.)
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To: RoadGumby

“Binding energies: nuclei vs. molecules

Not at all. Different process, same calculation: For chemical reactions, there are tiny mass differences as well. To pick an example: When hydrogen and oxygen explosively combine to make water, the sum of the rest masses of the initial hydrogen and oxygen atoms is just a little bit less than the sum of the rest masses of the resulting water molecules. The same is true for the chemical reactions involving spontaneous oxydation - in other words: burning. The same formula applies: The mass difference, multiplied by c2, gives the energy set free during the chemical reaction. “

http://www.einstein-online.info/spotlights/atombombe


76 posted on 03/20/2014 9:28:41 AM PDT by TexasGator
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To: DuncanWaring

“Binding energies: nuclei vs. molecules

Different process, same calculation: For chemical reactions, there are tiny mass differences as well. To pick an example: When hydrogen and oxygen explosively combine to make water, the sum of the rest masses of the initial hydrogen and oxygen atoms is just a little bit less than the sum of the rest masses of the resulting water molecules. The same is true for the chemical reactions involving spontaneous oxydation - in other words: burning. The same formula applies: The mass difference, multiplied by c2, gives the energy set free during the chemical reaction. “

http://www.einstein-online.info/spotlights/atombombe


77 posted on 03/20/2014 9:47:46 AM PDT by TexasGator
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To: tacticalogic

“Binding energies: nuclei vs. molecules

Different process, same calculation: For chemical reactions, there are tiny mass differences as well. To pick an example: When hydrogen and oxygen explosively combine to make water, the sum of the rest masses of the initial hydrogen and oxygen atoms is just a little bit less than the sum of the rest masses of the resulting water molecules. The same is true for the chemical reactions involving spontaneous oxydation - in other words: burning. The same formula applies: The mass difference, multiplied by c2, gives the energy set free during the chemical reaction. “

http://www.einstein-online.info/spotlights/atombombe


78 posted on 03/20/2014 9:48:06 AM PDT by TexasGator
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To: TexasGator

So now you’re reduced to copy/paste responses?


79 posted on 03/20/2014 9:59:59 AM PDT by DuncanWaring (The Lord uses the good ones; the bad ones use the Lord.)
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To: TexasGator

When you heat something, does it get heavier (you added energy)?.


80 posted on 03/20/2014 10:12:20 AM PDT by tacticalogic
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