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Chinese going for broke on thorium nuclear power, and good luck to them
The Telegraph ^ | 3-19-14 | Ambrose Evans-Pritchard

Posted on 03/19/2014 4:28:24 PM PDT by dynachrome

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To: TexasGator

I stand corrected, thanks


41 posted on 03/19/2014 8:25:27 PM PDT by jyro (French-like Democrats wave the white flag of surrender while we are winning)
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To: FreedomPoster
"Duncan has it right. Chemical energy vs. nuclear energy."

E=MC2 EXCEPT for chemical energy.

42 posted on 03/19/2014 8:35:07 PM PDT by TexasGator
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To: TexasGator
"Duncan has it right. Chemical energy vs. nuclear energy."

I guess we will have to rewrite Einstein's law ...

E=MC2 EXCEPT for chemical energy.

43 posted on 03/19/2014 8:36:58 PM PDT by TexasGator
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To: tacticalogic

What’s your point? The quote (and its grammatical correctness) are not mine.


44 posted on 03/19/2014 9:06:24 PM PDT by kiryandil (turning Americans into felons, one obnoxious drunk at a time (Zero Tolerance!!!))
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To: dynachrome

Screw that. We want our oil and natural gas and fracking and strip mining and conventional nook plants (with Fukashima meltdowns) that create highly radioactive waste that lasts for thousands of years. Big Oil will never allow thorium plants in the USSR.


45 posted on 03/19/2014 9:07:09 PM PDT by chessplayer
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To: FreedomPoster

See part II.

http://www.mrelativity.net/papers/8/100.pdf

Einsteim says it applies to ALL energies. He did NOT say E=MC2 except for chemical energy.


46 posted on 03/19/2014 9:11:35 PM PDT by TexasGator
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To: TexasGator

“The great achievement of 20th century quantum physics has been to describe chemical reactions in terms of E = mc2.”

http://www.energytribune.com/2771/understanding-e-mc2#sthash.Pp9wZbDM.dpbs


47 posted on 03/19/2014 9:18:15 PM PDT by TexasGator
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To: TexasGator

The result of a chemical reaction will show a slight change in mass per molecule from the feed compounds, based on how much energy was released or absorbed. It’s very little, though.


48 posted on 03/19/2014 9:21:02 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (Embrace the Lion of Judah and He will roar for you and teach you to roar too. See my page.)
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To: dynachrome

...it may be a time-out suspension, rather than a forever zot?

Or have there been enough time-outs for that one, already.

I should go buy a six-pack and celebrate. Just to keep it together, you know.
49 posted on 03/19/2014 9:50:32 PM PDT by BlueDragon (You can observe a lot just by watching. Yogi Berra)
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To: dynachrome

Libs/greenies already fiercely oppose it. They say it’s not economically feasible.


50 posted on 03/19/2014 10:58:40 PM PDT by chessplayer
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To: chessplayer

The irony in that is palpable. Solyndra and the like, anyone?


51 posted on 03/20/2014 2:13:24 AM PDT by FreedomPoster (Islam delenda est)
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To: BlueDragon

Mr. Robinson zotted him personally. #61

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-bloggers/3131203/posts


52 posted on 03/20/2014 3:18:29 AM PDT by dynachrome (Vertrou in God en die Mauser)
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To: dynachrome

I have to smirk at the phrase “fossil fuel hegemony”. That thorium is a lot older than the oil, gas, and coal the greenies whine about.


53 posted on 03/20/2014 3:24:37 AM PDT by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly. Stand fast. God knows what He is doing.)
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To: kiryandil
Coals also contain uranium, depending on where you are and the amount of naturally occurring fluorine in the groundwater. Coal in SW North Dakota was 'processed' and a small amount of uranium recovered for the Manhattan project.

The processing involved burning the coal, and then collecting the ash and extracting the uranium from that.

Why not have both? Just process the flyash.

54 posted on 03/20/2014 3:29:34 AM PDT by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly. Stand fast. God knows what He is doing.)
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To: TexasGator
If the mass of the combustion byproducts equals the mass of the fuel and the oxygen it combines with, there is no change in m; E=mc^2 does not apply. The reconfiguration of chemical bonds can release energy without a net change in mass. There may be phase changes, there may be gaseous products that are difficult to weigh, but the weight is the same on both sides of the combustion equation (i.e. 2 H2 + O2=2 H2O --no mass change).

The reason so much energy is released in a nuclear reaction (detonation) is the c^2 times the relatively small mass converted.

55 posted on 03/20/2014 3:42:31 AM PDT by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly. Stand fast. God knows what He is doing.)
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To: TexasGator

Hey look! He played the engineer card!

So, tell me. We have been trying to contrast what are basically two different methods of generating energy in the form of heat. Your stand seems to be that, regardless of the process, mass is destroyed/converted. Is this also true then of friction?

If I rub my hands together quickly, am I then causing matter to change to energy?


56 posted on 03/20/2014 4:35:51 AM PDT by RoadGumby (This is not where I belong, Take this world and give me Jesus.)
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To: TexasGator

Even if there were some nuclear component of the chemical reaction known as “burning”, the vast majority of energy released is from the rearrangement of molecular bonds in hydrocarbons to form CO, CO2 and HOH.


57 posted on 03/20/2014 5:07:13 AM PDT by DuncanWaring (The Lord uses the good ones; the bad ones use the Lord.)
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To: kiryandil
What’s your point? The quote (and its grammatical correctness) are not mine.

It's not the grammatical correctness, but the conceptual correctness. It's not an either-or question. The coal contains both Thorium and Carbon. You can extract the Thorium, and still have all the Carbon. You don't have to choose to use either one or the other.

58 posted on 03/20/2014 6:24:04 AM PDT by tacticalogic
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To: tacticalogic; Smokin' Joe
You can extract the Thorium, and still have all the Carbon. You don't have to choose to use either one or the other.

Right. I believe the suggestion of the author was to extract the carbon via the Fischer-Tropsch process rather than burning, in order to get "petroleum product".

His reasoning was that you didn't need to burn the carbon to produce electricity, because you already had a surplus from the thorium.

Smokin' - yes, you could use the uranium, but remember the problems associated with uranium feed stock power plants (see Japan), and the fact that Watermelon whackjobss would fight you every step of the way.

59 posted on 03/20/2014 6:56:47 AM PDT by kiryandil (turning Americans into felons, one obnoxious drunk at a time (Zero Tolerance!!!))
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To: dynachrome

thank you for the link, I’ll go take a look.


60 posted on 03/20/2014 7:38:36 AM PDT by BlueDragon (You can observe a lot just by watching. Yogi Berra)
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