Ok I have a question...What(Who)destroyed the California "GOP"?

21 Mar 2014 | US Navy Vet

[Reeses]

A small part of the shift is that Ronald Reagan won the Cold War which led to the quick decline of CA’s defense industries and military bases. Of course that negative effect is swamped by the negative effects of immigration and increases in welfare and government spending.

[jsanders2001]

> “as it relates to your own view point.”

Hold on, there. Are you saying that liberalism is as correct as are conservatism? It’s all relative? Just depends on “your own view point?”

No. I said nothing of the sort. I’m just saying its easy to see things the way you want to see them depending on your state of mind at the time. Don’t go using a liberal attack method on me now though I guess it might be good practice for learning to deal with them....lol

[dsc]

“No. I said nothing of the sort.”

I’m glad to hear that you didn’t intend it.

“I’m just saying its easy to see things the way you want to see them depending on your state of mind at the time.”

Some people work very hard not to do that, but rather to understand things as they are, as far as God has equipped them to do so. Nobody’s perfect, of course.

“Don’t go using a liberal attack method on me now”

I did no such thing. I still maintain that a reasonable man could have taken your statement to mean that.

“though I guess it might be good practice for learning to deal with them....lol”

I no longer think that enough of them could be persuaded to make a difference in the course of events. I don’t usually bother any more.

[Blue Ink]

“It is ridiculous to say CA is almost as red as it is blue. It is solid blue.”

Wrong. 6 million Californians voted for Obama. 4 million voted for Romney.

That is a victory, not a landslide.

California, minus the population centers of Los Angeles and the Bay Area, is SOLIDLY red.

[pluvmantelo]

As a white CA boomer I can attest that many members of my cohort decided 40 plus years ago that Nixon was eeeevil and haven’t voted Republican since. Never knew people so unwilling to challenge assumptions they made decades ago.

[Blue Ink]

“Legal immigrants can vote. 27.1% of the population is foreign born. 43.5% of the residents of the state age 5 and over live in households where a language other than English is spoken at home.”

You’re talking about the situation TODAY. But the Dem tide began turning thirty-five years ago. Illegal and legal immigration had not yet exploded.

So since you can’t plausibly blame non-existent foreigners for the shift back then, you have to ask, what else changed? The answer is huge numbers of American East Coast transplants flooding California and bringing their liberal voting ways with them. Hi, Boxer, Pelosi, and Feinstein!

And their first-generation CA born kids vote the way they do.

[tophat9000]

California last gasp was the recall..The GOPe did not want the recall..then when the grassroots got the recall in place ..the GOPe brought in the RINO /Demlite...Rnull to take out McClintock. .go back on this board and look and the flame war threads during the recall..it will be deja vu for today..
The California recall was the Tea party GOPe battle before there was a Tea party..GOPe won and then lost California

[crazycatlady]

“Smokes for votes” is interesting in view of how much a lot of these people claim to hate tobacco. But the man asked about CA not WI.

[dragnet2]

Sorry.. But Texas will go blue, just as solid red CA did...Ya can’t put the bullet back in the gun...

They’ll be outnumbered 3 to 1 in a matter of years. Demographics...

Bet the rent...And thank the government.

[kabar]

Wrong. 6 million Californians voted for Obama. 4 million voted for Romney. That is a victory, not a landslide.

LOL. You can use your own tortured definition of a landslide, but it doesn't change reality.

One generally agreed upon measure of a landslide election is when the winning candidate beats his opponent or opponents by at least 15 percentage points in a popular vote count. Under that scenario a landslide would occur when the winning candidate in a two-way election receives 58 percent of the vote, leaving his opponent with 42 percent.

There are variations of the 15-point landslide definition.

The online political-news source Politico has defined a landslide election as being on in which the winning candidate beats his opponent by at least 10 percentage points, for example.

And the well known political blogger Nate Silver, of The New York Times, has defined a landslide district as being one in which a presidential vote margin deviated by at least 20 percentage points from the national result.

In 2012 Obama beat Romney by 23%, 7,854,285 votes to 4,839,958. In 2008, Obama beat McCain by 24%, 8,274,473 votes to 5,011,781. That is by any normal definition of the term, a political landslide.

California, minus the population centers of Los Angeles and the Bay Area, is SOLIDLY red.

More sophistry. Let's see what kind of control the Dems have over CA. They control the statehouse overwhelmingly--55-25 in the Assembly and 27 Dems to 13 Reps in the Senate. NOTE: Three Dem Senators suspended. And there is a Dem governor.

The CA Congressional delegation consists of two Dem senators and out of the 53 members in the House, 38 are Dems. And the Rep numbers will continue to drop as they have over the past decade.

CA is one of the most solid blue states in the country. The Reps will not win CA in a Presidential election for a very long time if ever. Denial just ain't a river in Egypt.

[kabar]

You’re talking about the situation TODAY. But the Dem tide began turning thirty-five years ago. Illegal and legal immigration had not yet exploded.

We have just experienced three out of the four highest decades of LEGAL immigration in US history and the last two decades have been the highest. We had an amnesty in 1986--about 30 years ago. In 1970 one in 21 was foreign born; in 1980 it was one in 16; today it is one in eight, the highest it has been in over 90 years; and within a decade it will be one in 7, the highest in our history.

So since you can’t plausibly blame non-existent foreigners for the shift back then, you have to ask, what else changed? The answer is huge numbers of American East Coast transplants flooding California and bringing their liberal voting ways with them. Hi, Boxer, Pelosi, and Feinstein! And their first-generation CA born kids vote the way they do.

Immigration and minority birthrates are what is driving electoral politics in CA. Non-Hispanic whites make up 39.4% of the population today. There has actually been an exodus of non-Hispanic whites OUT of CA and it has been ongoing for several decades.

[The_Republic_Of_Maine]

"I think that when President Reagan “choose” George HW Bush as his Veep, he “opened” himself up for nothing but compromise."

Without a doubt. And look what it has done to the GOP.

The Maine GOP is nothing but a slush fund for the likes of olympia snowe and susie collins.

[Blue Ink]

The California legislature, both houses, has been controlled by Democrats since 1970.

1970 was the year migration from other American states peaked, and way before the mass waves of foreign immigration, both legal and illegal, began changing the electorate.

Please post a graph that shows how the (non-existent) foreign-born population flipped the legislature to Democrat in 1970. You can’t, because they weren’t here yet, and that’s not how it happened.

California was flipped by Democrat-voting liberal Americans from failed states who moved here.

[Lurkina.n.Learnin]

All them people singing “are you going to San Francisco” stayed.

[Blue Ink]

“All them people singing “are you going to San Francisco” stayed.”

I know. They were horrible hippies then, and their children are horrible hippies now. And they’re trying to blame all the problems they caused in California on foreign immigration.

And don’t get me wrong — I think Americans shrugging while the border with Mexico was erased will go down as one of the biggest mistakes in U.S. history. I don’t blame Mexico — of course they’re going to come and take it if they can. And they could. So they did.

I blame Americans who shrugged and said “Not my state, not my problem.”

All these problems — Democrat rule, out-of-control immigration — START and END with Americans. If you think there’s too much foreign immigration, other 49 states, then do something about it. California doesn’t field an army, and we got slapped down in a Federal court the last time we tried to put restrictions on immigration.

Flame away, California haters. It’s sunny here today in Los Angeles.

[ansel12]

You can only continue to hope that Texas becomes democrat, since you despise Texas, and laud California.

Already you can see the differences between a state of true conservatives compared to California, which was never conservative, merely republican/libertarian.

California used to pride itself on being libertarian and more accepting of liberalism than Texas, you guys rolled over for the left, Texas fights the left, Texas has already proven that it is no mirror image of California.

Texas people are different from California people, Texas republicans, are different from California “republicans”, the Texas GOP is vastly different from the California GOP.

We Texans were puzzled by California being so liberal, even 40 and 50 years ago, long before the immigration problems which are shared equally by the two states.

[Yaelle]

The one that has the OJ face shape. I don’t remember her name. She is large and not thin like the other sisters that have the Kardashian last name. Oh! And she was married to that druggie basketball player.

[ansel12]

All them people singing “are you going to San Francisco” stayed.

Exactly, California was libertarian/liberal even then, almost a half century ago, and known for it nationally.

How could it not eventually become a totally democrat state?

[ansel12]

California was flipped by Democrat-voting liberal Americans from failed states who moved here.

I would like to see your information on that, it's hard to believe that people from other states like Arkansas, Oklahoma, and Texas, and Arizona, were moving the famously liberal Californians to the left.

[steve86]

It’s kind of ironic but the illegals next to us are big “conservatives”. No, the adults don’t vote but the kids join conservative youth groups and will vote some day. They all watch Fox News most of he time. It kind of makes sense with the traditional family orientation many of them have. Other Hispanics (legal and illegal) in the same neighborhood the same way. The problem is that many Hispanics, although pro- many conservative values do tend to vote for the handouts.