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Rand Paul blames America- Partly To Blame For Pearl Harbor, World War II
The Right Scoop ^ | 2012 | Jennifer Rubin

Posted on 03/31/2014 11:04:32 AM PDT by gwgn02

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To: AdmSmith; AnonymousConservative; Berosus; bigheadfred; Bockscar; cardinal4; ColdOne; ...

Thanks gwgn02.


81 posted on 03/31/2014 12:15:16 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (Obama is now making Jimmy Carter look like Attila the Hun. /focus/news/3138768/posts)
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To: sickoflibs

With suckers like these, is it any wonder why we wind up with McCain’s and Romney’s?

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82 posted on 03/31/2014 12:17:16 PM PDT by bamahead (Few men desire liberty; most men wish only for a just master. -- Sallust)
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To: prof.h.mandingo
Not only did we cut of their oil we cut scrap steel etc.

So not selling things is grounds for war, then? If the bartender cuts you off, do you usually try to murder him?

s for your smartazz remark you are so correct no one was trying to invade Japan at that time.

So it was not an issue of sovereignty at all, then.

Trying to equate the aims of Japan and Germany is a losing proposition.

Both regimes believed as a matter of official ideology that it was their historical destiny to be imperial rulers of their continents.

Pearl was a trap and his military tried to tell him.

There is zero contemporary evidence of this.

You also totally misread Japanese psychology of the period.

The Japanese of the 1930s were human beings, not aliens from another planet. They had the same motives and desires as all peoples in history have ever had.

83 posted on 03/31/2014 12:17:48 PM PDT by wideawake
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To: gwgn02

Japan was responding to the vacuum left by Roosevelt’s reluctance to maintain even a skeleton-force naval presence in the Far East. Sure, the country was nearly broke at the time (all right, it was BANKRUPT, but there has never been an admission of that by the Liberal left), and the decision to move the fleet command from San Diego to Pearl Harbor was just sticking some low-hanging fruit out for Japan to snatch off the limb.

A few patrols of the South China Sea in 1935, like a re-introduction of the Watch on the Rhine about the same time, would have done much to considerably delayed or even prevented the coming clash of civilization that engulfed the world between 1939 and 1945.

But no, both the United States and Great Britain had to continue their respective social experiments.


84 posted on 03/31/2014 12:18:01 PM PDT by alloysteel (Obamacare - Death and Taxes now available online. One-stop shopping at its best!)
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Sometimes am reminded of Jacob’s Dream while we trudge to find a way to find our boys and girls. Yes, Lord we are so tired and our feet are so tired and sore. We promise not to stray again from our cabin’s door.


85 posted on 03/31/2014 12:18:13 PM PDT by no-to-illegals (Scrutinize our government and Secure the Blessing of Freedom and Justice)
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To: gwgn02

The United States of America put sanctions in placed because the Japanese were committing the most atrocious acts of rape, murder, and torture against the Chinese people. At what point were those the fault of the United States. I just lost my respect for this guy. Check that: I think the guys is a raving lunatic.


86 posted on 03/31/2014 12:26:02 PM PDT by righttackle44 (Take scalps. Leave the bodies as a warning.)
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To: DManA
There wouldn’t have been one except for our interference.

That isn't accurate.

The combatants had fought at Verdun for almost a year, sustaining a million casualties without either side gaining an inch.

Then after five months of truce negotiations and subdued warfare, there was no resolution and full scale hostilities resumed. In other words, a year and a half of zero military or diplomatic progress.

That was not a stalemate the US created.

After all this, we entered the war.

Germany then attempted a last full-scale offensive and that failed in July 1918.

By September the first German ally surrendered and then Germany itself in November.

We broke the stalemate and ended the war.

87 posted on 03/31/2014 12:26:54 PM PDT by wideawake
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To: bamahead

No doubt. When Jeb or Christie is the GOPe candidate and they all say they’re going to write in Palin it will expose the hypocrites that they really are.


88 posted on 03/31/2014 12:27:11 PM PDT by randomhero97 ("First you want to kill me, now you want to kiss me. Blow!" - Ash)
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To: randomhero97
So where in that post did I say that the Nazis were more humane than the Bushido?

You wrote:

Imperial Japan probably beats Nazi Germany by a long shot on the brutality scale

If Japan was far ahead of the Nazis in terms of brutality, how is that different from saying that the Nazis were more humane than the supposedly far more brutal Japanese?

89 posted on 03/31/2014 12:29:00 PM PDT by wideawake
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To: righttackle44

Your problem is that you are thinking like a man and a Christian, not a lunatic.


90 posted on 03/31/2014 12:30:41 PM PDT by wideawake
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To: randomhero97
Should it be that the mentioned is the candidate offered ... I'll write in also. Will pray can make a difference in my votes for rep and senator. I cannot go into the darkness with either jeb or cristie and I do not want to go there with billary either but cannot go with jeb or cristie. Call me what anyone wishes ... I call out to God ... and pray.
91 posted on 03/31/2014 12:31:52 PM PDT by no-to-illegals (Scrutinize our government and Secure the Blessing of Freedom and Justice)
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To: bigdaddy45

Oh, I’m aware of that, and thank you much.

It is IMO rather difficult to come up with a logical explanation of why it was wicked aggression for the Japanese to conquer territories from the European (and American, FTM) powers that they themselves had conquered from the natives 50 to 100 years earlier. Sauce for the goose and all that.

The utter blindness to this fact of most Americans and Europeans of the time can be seen perhaps most dramatically in the famous Marseillaise scene of Casablanca. Here was everybody getting all indignant about the wicked German invasion of France, when Casablanca was itself located in someone else’s country that the French had moved into only in 1907.

Why is it admirable for the French to conquer Morocco, but evil for the Germans to conquer France? Arguably it’s the other way around, since the Germans were at least picking on people their own size and technology.

What was wicked was the incredibly brutal and racist way the Japanese went about their conquest. Often blamed, rather ethnocentrically, I think, on Nazi influence. Japanese history and culture needs no lessons from anybody on how to be brutal, domineering and corrupt.

By no means all there was to Japanese culture, of course, anymore than it was to German society.


92 posted on 03/31/2014 12:32:23 PM PDT by Sherman Logan
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To: wideawake
Are you being obtuse?

Both were inhumane to the core. The only argument is the Wehrmacht and Luftwaffe did recognize some semblance of the Geneva Convention.
93 posted on 03/31/2014 12:33:01 PM PDT by randomhero97 ("First you want to kill me, now you want to kiss me. Blow!" - Ash)
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To: no-to-illegals

So I take it you’re not one of those who blame both of zero’s elections on the voters who voted third party or write in candidates?


94 posted on 03/31/2014 12:34:58 PM PDT by randomhero97 ("First you want to kill me, now you want to kiss me. Blow!" - Ash)
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To: randomhero97

I voted Palin first time (write in). Second time I gave them one more change and voted Romney. Never, Never again shall I compromise.


95 posted on 03/31/2014 12:36:28 PM PDT by no-to-illegals (Scrutinize our government and Secure the Blessing of Freedom and Justice)
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To: randomhero97
Are you being obtuse?

Sorry, but I don't see much of a moral difference between Bataan, Lidice and Malmedy.

Neither the Teikoku Rikugun nor the Wehrmacht had many well-thumbed copies of the Geneva Convention on their shelves.

96 posted on 03/31/2014 12:39:47 PM PDT by wideawake
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To: wideawake

Nonsense.


97 posted on 03/31/2014 12:43:10 PM PDT by DManA
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To: FlipWilson

Almost exactly the same guy, and this thread goes to show it.


98 posted on 03/31/2014 12:55:30 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet (I will raise $2M for Cruz and/or Palin's next run, what will you do?)
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To: gwgn02

Dear Rand Paul,

I thank you for showing who you are, this far ahead of this coming November.

Any support, I will deter.

By your words, sir, you are not worthy to be considered by me as a Presidential candidate.


99 posted on 03/31/2014 12:57:46 PM PDT by Terry L Smith
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To: wideawake
The War Department was well aware of what was going on in terms of Japan's intentions and mobilization: they were simply more prepared for an attack on the Philippines than on Hawaii.

Right. That is, of course, why the defense of the Philippines was so successful when attacked by a smaller Japanese force. And why essentially the entire American air force in the islands was destroyed on the ground half a day after the attack on Pearl Harbor.

MacArthur was a very interesting guy. But his defense of the Philippines was not a high point of his career.

The attack on Hawaii was a truly bold, innovative stroke by the Japanese and not an obvious move.

True. But not even considering it as a possibility was a huge failure of American imagination. Probably largely attributable to racist notions of Oriental inferiority.

IOW, the classic error of underestimating the enemy, usually caused by too high an opinion of yourself.

100 posted on 03/31/2014 1:11:44 PM PDT by Sherman Logan
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