Posted on 04/05/2014 5:08:15 AM PDT by BuckeyeTexan
Nice post - just find me SOMETHING says the following about Ted Cruz regarding the concept of Illegals self-deporting:
1) No hope of EVER being legal if you are here already, illegally. And that includes being a “guest worker” or having a family here.
2) A SOLID plan to make life difficult (no welfare, no education, no healthcare, no food stamps, no Spanish-language ballots) for those that are here illegally.
Please provide that link and I will be glad to SHUT UP, because he is MY SENATOR, and I voted for him, and I adore him...on just about everything else.
>>Ted Cruz does not support work permits. See Post #315. Nowhere in his proposed amendments (all were rejected) was there any provision for work permits for illegals.<<
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Work permits and green cards are NOT the same thing.
This is where I got the work permit stance (from originally linked article):
“The amendment that I introduced removed the path to citizenship, but it did not change the underlying work permit from the Gang of Eight,” he said during a recent visit to El Paso.
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You’re right. Sen Cruz does NOT want legal status for illegals. He also proposed an amendment to cut off welfare benefits for those staying here to work. The Dims, of course, rejected that, too.
He doesn’t use the phrase ‘self-deporting’. Look at his amendments that I linked and look at his positions on his website. It’s clear he is unwilling to give illegals anything because they broke the law.
Ted is very pro-legal immigration and will not allow an illegal to get ahead of a legal immigrant. That’s clear in the interview with Sean Hannity in the link given in Post #316 starting at exactly 5:00 minutes into the video.
As for your 2 items, look at his amendments linked in Post #15 and listen to the interview linked in Post #316. The answers are there.
Dig deeper. Not changing legislation is not the same as supporting it.
Leaving work permits unchanged renders the issue moot because work permits are impossible to issue without a legal basis to support issuance. Ted’s amendments against any pathway to citizenship negate any legal work permit. Here’s how:
RPI = Rigistered Provisional Immigrant
RPI necessary for work permit.
RPI allows application for Green Card.
Green Card allows application for citizenship.
All the above is settled law.
No citizenship pathway ..> No Green Card ..> No RPI ..> No work permit.
Call his office and get them to write you a letter to explain.
Cruz is indeed for giving work permits to illegals. He says he’s only against green cards because they provide a path to citizenship. But it doesn’t really matter that he wants to stop short of citizenship. If tens of millions of illegals are given work permits, they’ll ultimately end up with citizenship and their citizenship numbers, through chain migration, ultimately close to tripled.
I know this article has been pointed out to you before, but here it goes again:
““The amendment that I introduced removed the path to citizenship, but it did not change the underlying work permit from the Gang of Eight,” he said during a recent visit to El Paso. Mr. Cruz also noted that he had not called for deportation or, as Mitt Romney famously advocated, self-deportation.
Mr. Cruz said recent polling indicated that people outside Washington support some reform, including legal status without citizenship. He said he was against naturalization because it rewarded lawbreakers and was unfair to legal immigrants. It also perpetuates illegal crossings, he added.
Besides barring citizenship while instituting some level of legalization for those here already, Mr. Cruz has proposed increasing the number of green cards awarded annually, to 1.35 million from 675,000. He also wants to eliminate the per-country limit that he said left applicants from countries like Mexico, China and India hamstrung when they tried to gain legal entry to this country.
Mr. Cruz said the Obama administration and partisan Democrats would not yield on the citizenship requirement, which they know would kill the entire effort because of a lack of support in the House. The result, he said, will be a future campaign tool by which Democrats can blame Republicans for failing to overhaul immigration.
“If your objective is actually to pass a bill insisting on a path to citizenship, it is in both intent and effect a poison pill,” he said, adding that he thinks many of the immigration groups working on the issue are “being taken advantage of.””
http://www.nytimes.com/2013/09/13/us/cruz-tries-to-claim-the-middle-ground-on-immigration.html?_r=0
My apologies—didn’t mean to misdirect my comments.
I’ll say it again, this is the NY Times. They are not to be trusted at all.
Ted Cruz has stated ***clearly*** that he is not giving one benefit to illegal aliens because it is unfair to legal immigrants.
If you’re not satisfied, then call Senator Cruz’s office in the morning and ask for the official position. They will give it to you.
Sorry, pal, but Cruz is quoted directly in the Times.
Also, in the link you offered Cruz is expressly talking about not giving illegals an advantage in citizenship ahead of those who didn’t break the law to get there.
He has clearly said he’s for work permits. He wants more border security (yeah, like that’ll happen), and he wants to stop short of granting citizenship (which, again, doesn’t matter, because that’ll inevitably come once they’re legalized).
Jeesh!
No, he hasn't.
In fact he pointed out a very real disadvantage of American workers to illegals granted work permits:
http://freedomoutpost.com/2013/06/is-ted-cruz-lying-about-the-5000-loophole-in-the-immigration-bill/
There are several links to Ted's stand against work permits for illegals but the one above fits attitudes like yours:
Like anyone on the left, they react without thinking and usually make asinine statements devoid of truth. Worse, they will call you names like 4th graders in a sandbox.
In fact, the second paragraph in the above linked report looks like it could have been written by someone like you or some cubicle rainbow warrior at the NY Times.
I sort of agree, that’s why we are between a rock and a hard place, we can give them “Temporary Residency” and insist on Border Security before we consider “Permanent” but if they stay in the USA for oh, 7 years, likely they’d be grandfathered in any way. Especially with the Politicians we have, if the Dems ever control both houses and have the Presidency or even with a lot of the Republicans in office as the way President George W. Bush was.
I wanted to add on another note, reading the different posts here, the town police department or someone did crack down on the illegals at least working in the fast food restuarants on the main strip here. I should go to the mall and see if they did there too.
Employers of illegals need to follow the law and be heavily fined if they break it.
Every spring, people get new roofing, I’ve seen landscapers too, I think of calling it in to ICE.
You are spot on Hostage. I wondered how long it would take before the anti Cruz crowd hit. No wonder we always end up with the Doles, Bush’s, McCain’s and Romney’s.
As for me I could rally behind Cruz, Palin, Gowdy or Walker over any other potential candidate the gop might run
Ted Cruz has stated ***clearly*** that he is not giving one benefit to illegal aliens because it is unfair to legal immigrants.
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Will you be willing to pick up the share of what I have to pay in Massachusetts taxes when politicians here laugh at Ted Cruz and thank him for letting the illegals currently here stay and collect state benefits?...not to mention murder, rape, drunk drive, and generally pillage at will?
Tell me what is wrong with the simple concept that you cannot hire anyone here illegally? Does it give you pause at all that Ted Cruz can’t just go with that very simple plan?
Look at how Mitt needlessly, gratuitously, opposed the religious freedom bill in AZ. What the heck? He didn’t have to take a position at all. Does he like it when a photographer is forced to take wedding photos at a ceremony he doesn’t agree with—a form of coerced, not free, speech??
So you’re saying Ted Cruz is responsible for your paying taxes for illegals that stay in Massachusetts and collect state benefits? And Ted is responsible for illegals who murder, rape, drive drunk and generally pillage?
Wow, that’s quite a story and quite an imagination!
agree with you that the democrat socialist state must be dismantled
however.
all immigrants are bad . they vote democrat. illegal and illegal immigrants are mostly 3rd world and have been the downfall of this country
there 330 million people in the USA . enough. immigrants are not Americans and don’t share our values.immigrants suck
Not surprising to see SCOTUS kick that back. Between the parts of Arizona SB1070 they struck down and upholding Arizona Workers Act, they’ve provided a roadmap for crafting local law.
Your RECALDE quote again is not from the case itself. It’s paraphrased. The actual text paints a somewhat different picture. I’d also argue granting a preliminary injunction is not the same thing as a “decided” case.
agree with you that the democrat socialist state must be dismantled
however.
all immigrants are bad . they vote democrat. illegal and legal immigrants are mostly 3rd world and have been the downfall of this country
there 330 million people in the USA . enough. immigrants are not Americans and don’t share our values.immigrants suck.the last thing the USA needs is more immigrants . If i were president i would literally deport all non Americans and many democrats like Pelosi
No. I am saying just the opposite. Ted Cruz or no other federal official will control taxes or benefits in Mass. or any other state. That is why we must show the illegals currently here the exit door and not let more in. Obviouslyit’s a fluid situation with no easy political answer. I’ll be listening carefully to what Cruz and the others have to say, including you and others here. Have agood day.
Ann’s friend Bill Maher told her that Ted is bad on immigration. Or perhaps Ann is proving herself a fool without help. Bob
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