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Rasmussen: Boy Scouts' Favorability Continues to Slide
Big Government ^ | 4/8/2014 | Austin Ruse

Posted on 04/08/2014 3:54:27 AM PDT by markomalley

New survey numbers from Rasmussen show public opinion turning slowly against the Boy Scouts. Though most Americans still view them favorably, their numbers continue in a perennial trend of decline. 

The national poll taken by telephone shows 59% of Americans still view the Boy Scouts at least "somewhat" favorably, this represents a decline of six percentage points from last May and a 14 point decline from February, 2012. Twenty-eight percent view the Boy Scouts unfavorably. 

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To: cyclotic

From what I understand, TLUSA is a “very federal” model,
with most of the administration being at the individual troop level,
and decreasing in size as it moves up the chain,
with the “national” administrators working out of a closet, so to speak.


51 posted on 04/08/2014 10:39:43 AM PDT by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter admits whom he's working for)
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To: F15Eagle

Out of an excess of pity we allowed a coalition of Third World peoples and perverts to start to govern us. That was a big mistake as they resent us(or hate us which I prefer). Their governance is going to be severe as they seize wealth, insult us, assault and even kill.(The knockout game, mobs raging through the streets etc.) Look for poverty, ignorance, disease and the savage degradation of white America.


52 posted on 04/08/2014 10:42:12 AM PDT by AEMILIUS PAULUS (It is a shame that when these people give a riot)
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To: MrB

Exactly. Just a handful of full time employees working remotely. The unit and their charter organization make most of the day to day determinations. Our troop has been rolling along for a few months and have most stuff figured out. Many others are just getting started.

A BSA troop I was with for 10 years in Michigan just chartered this week.

We’ve also taken the approach of being a bit missionary. Some new members are with us until they hit critical mass and can split off on their own.

It’s confusing, scary, exciting and fun.

And it was certainly the right thing to do.


53 posted on 04/08/2014 11:28:25 AM PDT by cyclotic (Hey BSA-I'm gone. Walk Worthy-traillifeusa.com)
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To: elpadre

From what I heard, the voting delegates were hand selected to reach a predetermined outcome.


54 posted on 04/08/2014 11:32:42 AM PDT by cyclotic (Hey BSA-I'm gone. Walk Worthy-traillifeusa.com)
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To: exDemMom

That’s a mistake. They need conservatives now more than ever. If conservatives bail they’ll be pushed into the arms of “willing donors” whose agenda isn’t ours.

I’ve redoubled my efforts to support Scouting.


55 posted on 04/08/2014 11:53:52 AM PDT by 1010RD (First, Do No Harm)
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To: Scoutmaster

That some Americans view the Boy Scouts unfavorably tells you more about their values, than the Scouting values. Where else do young men get the same opportunities and values than in a Scouting Program.

It’s nonsense to think that boys are “coming out” in their early teens. If they do they’re more likely to be fellowshipped and loved back to Christian behavior than if we let the disease fester in secret.

Keep in mind that the Devil loves innuendo, secrecy and darkness. Get these kids into the light and love them.


56 posted on 04/08/2014 11:57:53 AM PDT by 1010RD (First, Do No Harm)
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To: bert
I note you refuse to address/answer any of my questions...

"...the anti BSA party line..."

What is "the BSA party line" bert? Conform? Bow to Moloch as we sacrifice our children to leaders who are trained in political correctness? (WB for the 21st Century)

I have been a MEMBER of the BSA for over 23 years...in all that time I have never seen a group of people so determined to ignore the membership as I have seen in the past year or two...

They ignore any who aren't singing their praises or kissing their collective asses. I PAY to be a member, a member of a group that is suppose to maintain a standard, a set of values. That these people have the temerity and audacity to IGNORE their membership speaks VOLUMES about what matters to them and it's not the welfare of the program.

Have the "truth teams" been dispatched to any area yet to "explain" how the new policy is supposed to be implemented? They claimed they were going to do this in an issue of Scouting magazine last fall...do you remember the one? The name of the article was "Forward together" (how "progressive" sounding is that?)

Tell me, how is it that +60% of the MEMBERship says don't change, yet, the delegates (selected individuals) somehow don't vote to sustain the memberships wishes? How does something like that work in your world bert?

Denial isn't just a river in Egypt and your constant and persistent ad hominems towards any who aren't PARROTING the "party line" is not lost on me.

Those folks at National sold out and are doing a fine job of convincing others to keep drinking the politically correct kool-aid.

That it's the BSA and only the BSA who is capable of teaching young men values and morals.

Sorry, NOT TRUE. Especially when it's coming from an organization that has sold its soul to the devil (corporate $$).

57 posted on 04/08/2014 12:43:12 PM PDT by SZonian (Throwing our allegiances to political parties in the long run gave away our liberty.)
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To: 1010RD

I’ll call on that comment.

I’m a 23+ years Scout leader who views them quite unfavorably...my values are solid. My repeated responses to their surveys tell them so...

Theirs have been compromised, they’ve changed. I have only changed in the sense that I view the National, Regional, Council and in some cases, District leadership with complete disdain and utter contempt.

They’ve earned it.

BSA isn’t the end all be all people are making it to be...


58 posted on 04/08/2014 12:48:09 PM PDT by SZonian (Throwing our allegiances to political parties in the long run gave away our liberty.)
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To: Scoutmaster; Washi; GBA; kenmcg; John O; exDemMom; Charles Martel

Thank-you for your insight. I am so sad for the future generations that will not have this valuable and now precious experience with scouting. Now it will have to live in legend.


59 posted on 04/08/2014 12:55:06 PM PDT by lulu16 (May the Good Lord take a liking to you!)
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To: SZonian

Have you seen what Scouting is doing for black urban boys being raised in single parent households or by grandma because their mom is gone/strung-out/dead?

They learn to swim, start fires, handle a knife, shoot a gun safely, camp out, build bridges, learn about a ton of potential careers, and, often for the first time in their lives, discover that they can be self-reliant, that there is a future outside their current environment.

Those black churches and their pastors didn’t abandon Scouting. They get it and despite having limited resources and male support they make Scouting work. They’re heroes and they understand that a positive role model fixes broken boys. Scouting provides that.

A massive problem, and it isn’t unique to FR, is that everyone believes their personal narrative is how things really are.

I am sorry that you view Scouting as unfavorable. You’re just the kind of man those boys need, including the confused kid who thinks he might be homosexual. A clear masculine leader with solid values and a strong sense of self will do more than a self-righteous quitter.

Won’t you please reconsider?


60 posted on 04/08/2014 1:01:14 PM PDT by 1010RD (First, Do No Harm)
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To: SZonian; fwdude; Tanniker Smith; Washi
34 This will change when we get another Boy Scout president, or at least someone favorable to the Scouts who has the sae beliefs, ideals and goals as the Scouts.
Never gonna happen.

36 Robert Gates is slated to be the next National President...his history precedes him as it relates to homosexuality...

38 Robert Gates is slated to be the next National President...his history precedes him as it relates to homosexuality...
I thought he already is? Hard to believe he used to be president of the very conservative Texas A&M University.

... and a past director of the CIA and president of the National Eagle Scout Association.

41 Could be and if so, thanks for the correction...if it’s not here on FR, I don’t keep up with what they’re doing any longer...

10/29/2013 – “Former Secretary of Defense Dr. Robert M. Gates elected to National Executive Board; will serve as an executive vice president and national president-elect”
Gates elected to BSA National Executive Board

Upon approval of the voting members of the National Council at the next annual business meeting during MAY 2014 in Nashville, TN, Gates would begin a 2-year term as the BSA national president. Coincidentally, Nashville was where the splinter Scouting organization, Trail Life USA, was founded in SEP 2013. It is also where the Southern Baptist Convention has its headquarters.

2/25/2014 – “Retired Defense Secretary Robert Gates enjoys Skagit home before taking Boy Scouts top job”
Retired SoD Robert Gates enjoys Skagit home

... "I think they (BSA) took an important step forward saying that gay youths can be in Scouts," he says. "And I strongly support that. I think now, certainly for the period that I am president, I think that there is a focus on trying to heal the organization, heal the divisions that were caused by the debate and refocusing on the program itself."

The scouting program is especially important now, he says, at a time when 3 out of 4 Americans between the ages of 18 and 25 don't qualify to join the military. Most of that is due to physical issues, including obesity, diabetes and asthma.

"I think any program that teaches leadership and character but also gets kids out of the house and into the out of doors and learning skills is ever more important today," he says. "And particularly with so many of them basically being couch potatoes with the video games and the electronics and so on."

Scouting also teaches kids how to lead people their own age, a skill Gates found extremely useful during his career. He has a long history with the Boy Scouts — both he and his older brother are Eagle Scouts, and he has a 1918 photo of his father in a scouting uniform.

Gates is stepping in at a time when many advocacy groups are calling for the Boy Scouts to also allow openly gay adult leaders.

"The beauty of CIA and the military is at the end of the day, when the law has changed or the policy changed, you can just tell people," he says. "(Boy Scouts of America is) a volunteer organization, the volunteers had a big debate and they had a huge vote and the vote was pretty strong in favor of letting gay youths be in scouting, but it's clear that there's still a lot of reluctance to take the next step. We'll see."

61 posted on 04/08/2014 1:36:33 PM PDT by MacNaughton
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To: lulu16

Ding Ding Ding.


62 posted on 04/08/2014 1:38:20 PM PDT by Fledermaus (I support Joe Carr in the TN GOP Primary against Lamar!)
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To: 1010RD

You are terminally naive.

The Gaystapo has the mounted head of the BSA on their wall now, and they will commence playing darts with it.


63 posted on 04/08/2014 1:41:18 PM PDT by fwdude ( You cannot compromise with that which you must defeat.)
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To: Scoutmaster
... As a partner in a large law firm, I was confronted by a surprising number of other lawyers about the BSA's anti-homosexual policy and alleged militarism in the early 1990s. ...

With your Scouting background you most likely already know that charges of militarism have been leveled at Scouting since its inception.

Wikipedia - Militarism in early Scouting movement

Can't put my hands on the list right now, but there is a collection of books written by opponents of Scouting over the decades which make the claim that Scouting is too closely tied with the military.

64 posted on 04/08/2014 1:51:19 PM PDT by MacNaughton
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To: fwdude

I deal in facts, not fancy. Your comments are ignorant hyperbole.

Too many FReepers run when they should fight, they freak out at a little setback, and are, essentially, fatalists. I win. That’s what I do. I don’t cry that things aren’t perfect or turn tail and skitter away if I don’t get everything I want.


65 posted on 04/08/2014 1:52:29 PM PDT by 1010RD (First, Do No Harm)
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To: 1010RD

mostly, they fear how they will look

It is fashionable in some groups to be antiBSA because it has become the in thing

They are delusional in attempting to create a substitute


66 posted on 04/08/2014 1:59:09 PM PDT by bert ((K.E. N.P. N.C. +12 ..... History is a process, not an event)
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To: 1010RD

You just think “you win.” The BSA has sold out. There is no turning back this policy. How would scouts now go back into the closet?

What is it going to take to wake you up? When openly homosexual leaders are allowed/forced in? When they participate in multi-troop functions with your sons?


67 posted on 04/08/2014 2:00:37 PM PDT by fwdude ( You cannot compromise with that which you must defeat.)
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To: 1010RD

I’ve absolutely seen the value of Scouting 10..., but at the same time I cannot and will not serve under “leadership” who I have absolutely no respect for. My “fire” for Scouting has been extinguished by the actions of secretive, deceptive and manipulative people at National and in my case, Council. I’m not a “self-righteous quitter”...Scouting told me and people like me that we are not needed nor wanted unless we conform to their current set of “values”.

They are the ones who demonstrated a lack of moral guidance, they failed to follow the very things we represent when we put on that uniform. When we recite the Scout Law, Scout Oath we are affirming that we will live by a certain code. A code they themselves do not follow.

The policies they implement, the ambivalence towards fixing the REAL problems in Scouting, the inaction of so-called “leaders” as it relates to addressing the very real concerns parents and leaders have, the ignoring of the survey results and many other reasons are why I view Scouting “unfavorably”.

The Program itself, implemented correctly, is sound, it is favorable...it is the people in charge of the Program at the National level who are undermining it, they (Scouting) are unfavorable.

I am extremely upset at National for blatantly disregarding and undermining the wishes of its membership and torn by my love of Scouting but at the same time, the prospect of serving under people who don’t deserve a bucket of warm spit if they were dying of dehydration.

But there is also the dark cloud of Robert Gates looming large...an avowed advocate of homosexuality who is, or soon will be, the BSA National President. He has indicated that is time for the BSA to go all the way and admit adult homosexual leaders.

The BSA gives no quarter to those who openly flaunt or violate their policies...any unit who refuses to register an avowed homosexual risks losing their Charter (based on the current policy for youth). If hindsight were foresight, it might have been prudent to accept National’s first offer of allowing individual units the “authority” to determine who joined or not.

The split has happened 10, Trail Life USA is beginning to fill the moral, spiritual and values void left by the BSA. More will join and although it may not grow in size to that of the BSA, it will be where the pastors and preachers can turn for such a program that AFFIRMS what they profess. Not just give it lip service.

I repeat, I am torn by this...pi$$ed is more like it...But I will not and do not endorse or engage in any action or activity beyond that of the Troop...I keep my level of activity strictly at the Unit level. I have resigned from my District and Council level positions.

I will serve the remainder of my “term” and gracefully hand over the reigns to another adult who can serve under these terms that BSA has put in place.

Then I will get to trying to empty the 55 gallon drum sized “honey do” jar that has been filling up over the past 23 or so years.

Again, my fight is with those suits on the board and any who would personally attack those who are in disagreement with National.


68 posted on 04/08/2014 2:16:43 PM PDT by SZonian (Throwing our allegiances to political parties in the long run gave away our liberty.)
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To: bert

See how you are? Still won’t answer or address any of the questions I posed.

Why won’t you come out onto the field of play and engage instead of sniping from the sidelines?

Or is it that you know what we say has merit and you are too timid to accept that you are defending the indefensible?

A Scout is “Trustworthy”, a Scout is “brave”, a Scout is “courteous”, a Scout is “kind”...not seeing much of that in your posts.

“Loyalty” is earned bert, not given freely lest it be abused...and the BSA and her defenders expect me and folks like me to remain loyal when they fail to continue to earn that loyalty?

I don’t think so.


69 posted on 04/08/2014 2:25:17 PM PDT by SZonian (Throwing our allegiances to political parties in the long run gave away our liberty.)
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To: SZonian

desertion in the face of the enemy is inexcusable.

BSA still has two deep leadership policy with mandatory youth protection training that is the best there is

As far as I am concerned nothing really happened. Boys join at 11, never older than 13. There are no queer 11 year olds.

The deserters don’t know about boys. The boys know each other and a queer will be ostracized. The boys can and will handle the situation in the extremely rare event it ever actually develops. Troops where leaders don’t let the boys lead generally wither from poor adult leadership. In our area, those are the units that are gone.

The leaving by those holier than thou will pass and their sons will loose out on the best training in the world. There are llots of churchmen that want control and a scout troop in their church but not under their thumb is disdained. They will cobble up something to try to make up for the loss

BSA will be better to have weeded out the weak of spirit.

Our troop lost no one. I expect we will grow


70 posted on 04/08/2014 2:40:44 PM PDT by bert ((K.E. N.P. N.C. +12 ..... History is a process, not an event)
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To: bert

Looks to me like you’re being the holier-than-thou, especially with your unsubstantiated flat statements, but that’s to be expected.

Grow, shrink, stay the same, we don’t care... finally a really Christian alternative has been founded. But I hope you repent so that reuniting, rather than having to hear your excuses, will be possible.


71 posted on 04/08/2014 2:49:53 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (Embrace the Lion of Judah and He will roar for you and teach you to roar too. See my page.)
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To: bert

Your thinly veiled ad hominems again demonstrate the persistent support for an organization that has shown itself to be undeserving of such “loyalty”.

You’re still parroting the BSA party line bert...

How do you KNOW there are no queer 11 or 13 year old boys?

Again, Why is it permissible, under BSA policy for a queer 17 year old to tent with an 11 year old hetero, but not permissible for an 18 year old hetero to tent with his 17 year old hetero buddy?

And I’m here to tell you that if I ever caught any Scout behaving in an un-Scout like manner as you propose with regards to ostracizing, I’d have his head on a pike before I would the queer. Why? Because he knows better and the queer, if he isn’t engaged in any behavior that requires my intervention or action should be left alone to learn what he can. Our Troop policy is to address the behavior, since National(SPIT) hasn’t provided any direction, we’ve made our own.

And if you really cared to know how the rot at National is affecting many Scout leaders, you might try reading my response here: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/3141987/posts?page=68#68.

Then again, since I’m a “holier than thou deserter”, maybe not since I’m not “worthy” of such deference.


72 posted on 04/08/2014 2:54:15 PM PDT by SZonian (Throwing our allegiances to political parties in the long run gave away our liberty.)
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To: MacNaughton

And for good reason. Lord Baden-Powell felt British soldiers in South Africa were woefully inadequate at basic outdoor skills and developed Scouting as a ‘game with a purpose,’ the purpose being to teach skills that would be helpful in the military.

Baden-Powell first suggested uniforms that looked like South African constables, with a broad-brimmed khaki hat, a neckerchief, a shirt with sleeves rolled up most of the time, shorts, stockings held up by garters, and comfortable shoes.

That uniform appeared on the cover of the 1910 U.S. Official Handbook for Scouting.

By the 1911 Handbook for Boys, the uniform was replaced by an Army uniform. Not coincidentally, Sigmund Eisner, of Red Bank, N.J., whose company manufactured uniforms for several of the world’s armies, had just become the BSA’s official uniform and equipment supplier. The BSA was required to make minor changes to its uniform during WWI to avoid confusion with ‘doughboys.’

Certain countries have changed their Scouting uniforms over the last 20+ years to remove any semblance of the military, like Finland’s t-shirt and beanie. Not so female Polish Scouts, unless they’ve recently dropped the wide black leather belt, the heavy boots and thick wool socks, military peaked cap, and grey skirt and military dress uniform top.

Past uniforms, the organization into Troops and patrols, with salutes and pledges and oaths, and Scouts using military surplus gear, added to the claims of militarism.

Let’s face it - if you’ve been in Scouting as long as I have, you know of more than one Troop where the ex-Military leaders have decreed camo BDU pants the official “Class A” Troop uniform, or added berets as part of the uniform. The Scouts march to a cadence. A military name tape has been added to each Scout’s uniform. The Scouts wear Desert Storm-type boots, and “drop and give me twenty” commonly comes from the Senior Patrol Leader’s mouth.

When a non-Scouter sees that Troop, he or she would be hard-pressed not to think ‘militarism.’


73 posted on 04/08/2014 2:58:43 PM PDT by Scoutmaster (Is it solipsistic in here, or is it just me?)
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To: MacNaughton

And for good reason. Lord Baden-Powell felt British soldiers in South Africa were woefully inadequate at basic outdoor skills and developed Scouting as a ‘game with a purpose,’ the purpose being to teach skills that would be helpful in the military.

Baden-Powell first suggested uniforms that looked like South African constables, with a broad-brimmed khaki hat, a neckerchief, a shirt with sleeves rolled up most of the time, shorts, stockings held up by garters, and comfortable shoes.

That uniform appeared on the cover of the 1910 U.S. Official Handbook for Scouting.

By the 1911 Handbook for Boys, the uniform was replaced by an Army uniform. Not coincidentally, Sigmund Eisner, of Red Bank, N.J., whose company manufactured uniforms for several of the world’s armies, had just become the BSA’s official uniform and equipment supplier. The BSA was required to make minor changes to its uniform during WWI to avoid confusion with ‘doughboys.’

Certain countries have changed their Scouting uniforms over the last 20+ years to remove any semblance of the military, like Finland’s t-shirt and beanie. Not so female Polish Scouts, unless they’ve recently dropped the wide black leather belt, the heavy boots and thick wool socks, military peaked cap, and grey skirt and military dress uniform top.

Past uniforms, the organization into Troops and patrols, with salutes and pledges and oaths, and Scouts using military surplus gear, added to the claims of militarism.

Let’s face it - if you’ve been in Scouting as long as I have, you know of more than one Troop where the ex-Military leaders have decreed camo BDU pants the official “Class A” Troop uniform, or added berets as part of the uniform. The Scouts march to a cadence. A military name tape has been added to each Scout’s uniform. The Scouts wear Desert Storm-type boots, and “drop and give me twenty” commonly comes from the Senior Patrol Leader’s mouth.

When a non-Scouter sees that Troop, he or she would be hard-pressed not to think ‘militarism.’


74 posted on 04/08/2014 2:58:43 PM PDT by Scoutmaster (Is it solipsistic in here, or is it just me?)
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To: SZonian

your straw me are just that. You had to develop a mental rationalization to leave and obviously did.

I have been in scouting for ever and know that boys know each other and there is not a real problem

Your opinion is just that and is in my view misguided and unjustified.

The queers in scouts flapis a theoretical problem that in reality does not exist


75 posted on 04/08/2014 3:09:02 PM PDT by bert ((K.E. N.P. N.C. +12 ..... History is a process, not an event)
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To: bert

What “strawman” exactly? I posed relevant questions to current BSA policies and you “deem” them “strawmen”?

You are either; obtuse, ignorant or deceitful...

As for no homos in Scouting, that is an outright lie...

http://news.yahoo.com/gay-teen-achieves-eagle-scout-milestone-md-143744414.html

http://www.dallasvoice.com/gay-scouts-leaders-converge-bsa-headquarters-monday-10138226.html

http://www.bing.com/search?q=gay+eagle+scout&qs=n&form=QBLH&pq=gay+eagle+scout&sc=8-12&sp=-1&sk=&cvid=1be7b27d77eb43928758953fa0cdc95a

http://www.bing.com/news/search?q=Gay+Scouts&qpvt=gay+scouts&FORM=EWRE

http://usnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2012/10/09/14293913-gay-scouts-come-out-rally-around-teens-eagle-scout-bid?lite

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/scouts-defied-uniform-rule-alabama-baptist-churches-boot-bsa-troops-new-gay-rule-article-1.1361884


76 posted on 04/08/2014 3:19:31 PM PDT by SZonian (Throwing our allegiances to political parties in the long run gave away our liberty.)
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To: Scoutmaster; MacNaughton
"Let’s face it - if you’ve been in Scouting as long as I have, you know of more than one Troop where the ex-Military leaders have decreed camo BDU pants the official “Class A” Troop uniform, or added berets as part of the uniform. The Scouts march to a cadence. A military name tape has been added to each Scout’s uniform. The Scouts wear Desert Storm-type boots, and “drop and give me twenty” commonly comes from the Senior Patrol Leader’s mouth.

When a non-Scouter sees that Troop, he or she would be hard-pressed not to think ‘militarism.’

I don't like seeing these kinds of things and remind the "leaders" of proper uniforming. But you're correct in that many don't take the time to correct these appearances and it serves only to reinforce the notion that the BSA is "militaristic".

77 posted on 04/08/2014 3:23:34 PM PDT by SZonian (Throwing our allegiances to political parties in the long run gave away our liberty.)
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To: markomalley; Chode

Oh, they built the ship Titanic, to sail the ocean blue
And they thought they had a ship that the water wouldn’t go through
But the good Lord raised His hand, said the ship would never land
It was sad when the great ship went down.

Chorus: Oh, it was sad, so sad
It was sad when the great ship went down
To the bottom of the sea
(Uncle’s, Aunts little children lost their pants)
It was sad when the great ship went down.

O they were not far from shore when they heard that mighty roar
And the rich refused to associate with the poor.
So they put them down below where they’d be the first to go
It was sad when the great ship went down. .

Chorus.

The California not a dozen miles away
never heard the SOS ‘cus the crew had hit the hay
Captian and crew never knew that ship was through
It was sad when the great ship went down. .

Chorus.

The moral of this story is very play to see
Always wear a life preserver whenever you’re at sea
Uncles and Aunts, little Chilren Lost there pants
It was sad when the great ship when down. .

Chorus.

Ker plunk it sunk! what a rotten piece of junk!
Double Bubble, You’re in trouble
The end. Amen!


78 posted on 04/08/2014 3:35:15 PM PDT by Morgana (Wagglebee please come home we miss you!)
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To: Morgana
death by a 1000 cuts
79 posted on 04/08/2014 3:52:07 PM PDT by Chode (Stand UP and Be Counted, or line up and be numbered - *DTOM* -vvv- NO Pity for the LAZY - 86-44)
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To: 1010RD

evil is evil and the scouts chose evil.

Scouts taught the lesson of pandering to enemy. The might as well call them the nevil chamberlin scouts.


80 posted on 04/08/2014 4:51:39 PM PDT by longtermmemmory (VOTE! http://www.senate.gov and http://www.house.gov)
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To: bert

Agreed.


81 posted on 04/12/2014 11:43:54 AM PDT by 1010RD (First, Do No Harm)
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To: fwdude

In your troop how many homosexual boys came forward publicly or how many new, openly homosexual boys joined after the National changed the policy?

If you reply, give me the troop number, because you know the number is zero. This change did nothing to damage Scouting as an experience for boys. There just aren’t that many homosexuals in the general population.

It’s a brilliant move that totally undermines the Lavender Mafia’s aggressive attacks against Scouting. Too bad conservatives are totally falling for it and attacking a great organization for growing young men.


82 posted on 04/12/2014 11:48:14 AM PDT by 1010RD (First, Do No Harm)
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To: SZonian
Again, my fight is with those suits on the board and any who would personally attack those who are in disagreement with National.

I've never had to deal with National ever. Council and District fairly rarely, but every week Scouting happens and makes a difference at the troop and Scout level. Why not join an urban troop and bring all that enthusiasm and skill to work there?

You won't find any openly homosexual boys in a black Scout troop in the city. They could really use you and you'd be taking life changing leadership challenges every week. The long term effects would be more conservative black dads married and taking care of their families. That's a legacy that you can be proud of on Judgment Day when you stand before your Lord and Savior.

83 posted on 04/12/2014 11:53:53 AM PDT by 1010RD (First, Do No Harm)
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To: longtermmemmory

Scouting didn’t choose evil. Like Jesus Christ, they don’t fear to sit with “sinners”. The effect is nil in 99% of church sponsored troops. The benefits to those boys caught up in sad, unhealthy same sex attraction have another outlet to return to the light.


84 posted on 04/12/2014 11:55:49 AM PDT by 1010RD (First, Do No Harm)
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To: 1010RD

You’re speaking as if this policy change is a static change. It is not. Just because there was no immediate discernible change doesn’t mean that the national organization isn’t infected with a very communicable infection, that may take years to play out.


85 posted on 04/12/2014 3:03:41 PM PDT by fwdude ( You cannot compromise with that which you must defeat.)
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To: fwdude

And where is the Cincinnatus holding the bridge. As a Christian, you must know that you’ve described the steady state of the world. Jesus Christ walked in a world as or perhaps more debauched than this one. All manner of wickedness was practiced and mostly flagrantly and publicly.

My Lord expects me to engage that world in His cause: to be in it, but not of it. I don’t fear because Christ is on my side. Scouting is something worth fighting for. It’s sponsored in the main by solid churches who understand the importance young men have in leading the Church and doing the real work of Christianity. I’m staying, thanks be to God.


86 posted on 04/12/2014 10:13:45 PM PDT by 1010RD (First, Do No Harm)
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