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Air Force apologizes to family after armed traffic stop (Wright-Patterson AFB, Ohio)
Stars & Stripes ^ | April 10, 2014 | Laura A. Bischoff and Clint Davis

Posted on 04/11/2014 4:17:30 AM PDT by Timber Rattler

A Columbus, Ohio, family said their children were traumatized after what was meant to be a fun trip to the National Museum of the United States Air Force ended with guns drawn on them.

Alice Hill, 65, her daughter-in-law, Wendy, and two young grandchildren visited the museum on April 4 and, as they were leaving, were ordered to get out of their vehicle by military police. Hill said the officers pulled guns on the family and cuffed the adults in front of the children, according to an incident report.

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The family was detained for about 90 minutes as authorities sorted through questions about whether the van was stolen — it wasn't — and whether they were casing cars in the lot — they weren't.

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"An initial check of the vehicle plates with the National Law Enforcement Terminal System reported the vehicle as stolen," according to a base statement Tuesday. "Security forces responded as trained, and executed high-risk traffic stop procedures. Further investigation of the full vehicle information number revealed the vehicle was not stolen."

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"We sincerely regret the fact that their enjoyable day at the museum ended with this high-risk traffic stop," their statement read. "Had the vehicle not originally come back as stolen, this situation would have been resolved with a quick courtesy stop of the vehicle to clarify the initial report."

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TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Government; US: Ohio
KEYWORDS: airforce; database; donutwatch; museum
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To: riverrunner
"It is up to the originating agency to up date and remove any erroneous files."

Wouldn't that be 'racist', and an attempt to deny someone his Constitutional rights?

21 posted on 04/11/2014 4:48:39 AM PDT by DJ Frisat (Proudly providing the NSA with provocative textual content since 1995!)
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To: Haiku Guy

Okay. Fine. Seems reasonable. But it doesn’t make my comment at the time, wrong.


22 posted on 04/11/2014 4:49:29 AM PDT by Gaffer (Comprehensive Immigration Reform is just another name for Comprehensive Capitulation)
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To: Timber Rattler

Our government: arrogant, petty, and stupid.


23 posted on 04/11/2014 4:49:36 AM PDT by Third Person
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To: Ken522

‘,,, at least the base police didn’t shoot them!’

or their dog!


24 posted on 04/11/2014 4:50:19 AM PDT by Jack Hydrazine (Pubbies = national collectivists; Dems = international collectivists; We need a second party!)
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To: Never on my watch

Or the IRS.


25 posted on 04/11/2014 4:52:09 AM PDT by Eric in the Ozarks (Rip it out by the roots.)
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To: Haiku Guy
The police response, given that information, was appropriate.

Guns drawn and slapping handcuffs on them was "appropriate"? I don't think so.

26 posted on 04/11/2014 4:54:28 AM PDT by Future Snake Eater (CrossFit.com)
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To: Timber Rattler

Well at least they apologized. If it had been civilian cops the women would have been tazed, maybe shot, and the explanation would have been that the police responded in an appropriate manner given the threatening circumstances and the exigencies of the situation. /s/


27 posted on 04/11/2014 4:55:13 AM PDT by saganite (What happens to taglines? Is there a termination date?)
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To: Timber Rattler

Barney fife in blue.


28 posted on 04/11/2014 4:57:14 AM PDT by Vermont Lt (If you want to keep your dignity, you can keep it. Period........ Just kidding, you can't keep it.)
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To: j. earl carter

Just give yourself 90 minutes for your anal probe.


29 posted on 04/11/2014 4:58:20 AM PDT by Vermont Lt (If you want to keep your dignity, you can keep it. Period........ Just kidding, you can't keep it.)
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To: Haiku Guy

not if she had her registration in the glove box it wasn’t


30 posted on 04/11/2014 4:58:41 AM PDT by yldstrk ( My heroes have always been cowboys)
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To: driftdiver

I had a co-worker who was using the turnstiles to a classified facility. They are designed as cages in ‘certain situations’, his card let him in and then locked him in the turnstile.

As he told me later on four sets of M-4’s pointed at his head made him a bit ‘nervous’. It turned out to be a data base ‘error’.

Sure am glad I don’t work there anymore.


31 posted on 04/11/2014 4:59:05 AM PDT by The Working Man
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To: j. earl carter
The Air Force Museum is just fantastic. If you ever find yourself in the vicinity of Dayton, you really should stop by.

You are right about that. I would recommend going to this museum even if you are not int he vicinity of Dayton. I drove out from New Jersey, and it was worth the trip!

The only disappointment was that the XB-70 Valkyrie was not on display. Apparently that hangar has not yet been built. When that is completed, I may have to go back!

The thing I liked about this museum was that all of the displays and written information was very matter-of-fact, without a lot of interpretation from some lefty history professor about what it all means. I remember looking at a display of an atomic bomb, and the caption explained that it was the casing of an actual atomic bomb, similar to the one dropped on Nagasaki, that had been dimilitarized. The display left it up to the visitor to figure out what he thought about that.

32 posted on 04/11/2014 4:59:33 AM PDT by Haiku Guy (Health Care Haiku: If You Have a Right / To the Labor I Provide / I Must Be Your Slave)
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To: Haiku Guy

The police response, given that information, was appropriate.

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I know. They are literally dozens on gangs out there stealing autos, the gangs consisting of grandma, ma, and the grandkids.

I sure hope they cuffed the kids. They’re the brains of the outfit.

I have a sneaking suspicion that they plate they ran that came up stolen was slightly different from the plate that was actually on the car.


33 posted on 04/11/2014 5:00:10 AM PDT by dmz
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To: Timber Rattler

Fortunately they did not have their dog with them.


34 posted on 04/11/2014 5:00:40 AM PDT by Mouton (The insurrection laws perpetuate what we have for a government now.)
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To: Timber Rattler

A complete non-apology apology.


35 posted on 04/11/2014 5:07:54 AM PDT by andyk (I have sworn...eternal hostility against every form of tyranny over the mind of man.)
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To: Future Snake Eater
Guns drawn and slapping handcuffs on them was "appropriate"? I don't think so.

Well, think about it.

The police are looking at a vehicle that is behaving suspiciously, and on a license plate check, it comes up as stolen. What do you expect them to do?

Now, the police have to realize there is always a possibility that the database is wrong, and the vehicle was not stolen. But if it is on the list of stolen vehicles, it probably is stolen. You have to figure that the list is right more often than not, right?

So, if the vehicle was stolen, would there have been anything wrong with following the procedure for a high risk traffic stop? Job #1 on a high risk traffic stop is to control the situation and eliminate the possiblity that the occupants of the vehicle, who you figure at a minimum are probably car thieves, can resist. So you stop the car and gunpoint, remove the occupants, secure them (with handcuffs), and then check the registration.

36 posted on 04/11/2014 5:08:34 AM PDT by Haiku Guy (Health Care Haiku: If You Have a Right / To the Labor I Provide / I Must Be Your Slave)
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To: j. earl carter
it's free.

Well, except for the "personal demonstration" part...

37 posted on 04/11/2014 5:10:07 AM PDT by Izzy Dunne (Hello, I'm a TAGLINE virus. Please help me spread by copying me into YOUR tag line.)
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To: Timber Rattler
A witness had called security to report that the family was acting suspiciously, peering into various cars in the museum’s parking lot. Hill told police she and her 8-year-old grandson Aaron were checking out license plates around the lot to see how far some visitors had traveled.
“My son was excited to see different state license plates, especially the Alaska plate he saw on the way in,” 31-year-old Wendy Hill told police. “We drove the lot to see if he missed any before we left to go home. That was when we were stopped.”

Message to the Slaves: Don't teach your children to be intellectually curious. Teach them to obey!

38 posted on 04/11/2014 5:11:52 AM PDT by Flick Lives ("I can't believe it's not Fascism!")
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To: driftdiver

Yeah...I know a guy who flies KC135s and he says they are all dicks.


39 posted on 04/11/2014 5:14:23 AM PDT by Yorlik803 ( Church/Caboose in 2016)
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To: bert; stylecouncilor
...ditto the museum of Naval Aviation in Pensacola....

Thanks for the heads up.

40 posted on 04/11/2014 5:14:44 AM PDT by onedoug
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